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The first amendment

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-25 11:16

Prohibiting CP is a violotation of the first amendment of the US.

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-25 11:19

How many times are you gonna make this thread?
This is why slavs are subhuman.

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-25 11:37

You taking about possession? You'd have to have Miller v. California and New York v. Ferber overturned by the Supreme Court with a case arguing that CP is protected expression under the First Amendment.

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-25 11:58

Interestingly, Japan allowed for legal possession of CP until June 2014. The article regarding freedom of expression in their constitution is also analogous to the First Amendment in the USA.
http://japan.kantei.go.jp/constitution_and_government_of_japan/constitution_e.html
Article 21. Freedom of assembly and association as well as speech, press and all other forms of expression are guaranteed.
No censorship shall be maintained, nor shall the secrecy of any means of communication be violated.

Compare with the USA's First Amendment:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-25 15:08

>>2
This is my first time.

>>3
Possession and distribution.

>>4
Yet another case of the westerners fucking up Japan, the weird censorship law was originally a UK law that Japan was pressured into accepting, just like this one.
Also, the Article 21 also has "and all other forms of expression are guaranteed", something which the 1st amendment lacks. It also ensures the privacy of the communication and is clear on the illegality of state censorship, sadly the japanese were forced to ignore their constitution as the penis censorship law is still active.

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-25 15:23

>>5
Also, the Article 21 also has "and all other forms of expression are guaranteed", something which the 1st amendment lacks. It also ensures the privacy of the communication and is clear on the illegality of state censorship
Technically, the Fourth Amendment is supposed to cover that. There was a federal judge that ruled against NSA metadata collection as being against the Fourth Amendment a few years back, but FISA is a court all onto itself and they give zero fucks.
sadly the japanese were forced to ignore their constitution as the penis censorship law is still active.
The penis censorship law predates the postwar constitution. See Article 175 of the Criminal Code of Japan (passed in 1907). It seems like it's barely enforced, though cause I see plenty of uncensored Japanese porn these days and sites like Ura Bukkake haven't been after being up for years.

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-25 15:26

>>5
Possession and distribution.
Best case is the laws for possession might be relaxed. AFAIK, in the Americas, Argentina and Belize allow legal possession.

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-25 18:49

>>7
"legal possession"?

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-25 18:54

>>8
Yes. Meaning that if you have CP in your posession, but do not intend to distribute said CP to others either for money or gratis, then that is perfectly legal in some countries.

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-25 19:11

>>9
Only in Jew York

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-25 19:27

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-25 22:48

If watching child porn is a "crime", then who is the victim? Then again, criminalizing things like viewing child porn or possessing cannabis trivializes the notion of a crime, so people stop seeing crime as something necessary evil. I.e. you to jail for both watching CP and raping real child, so there must be no difference, so why bother with CP, instead of raping real child then?

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-25 23:48

>>12
If watching child porn is a "crime", then who is the victim?
The common reasoning is that viewing child porn "re-victimizes" the child that participated in the manufacturing of that pornography.

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-26 1:01

>>13

Then watching ISIS beheading video re-victimizes executed person too!

And by the same logic, watching usual porn would make you into a rapist and pron model into a victim.

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-26 3:13

all of these posts
not one asking for a source
Has reddit found this board or wtf?!

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-26 3:16

>>15
Whom are you quoting?

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-26 3:21

>>16
The implications? Fucking newreddits.....

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-26 4:51

>>14
Then watching ISIS beheading video re-victimizes executed person too!
I know. The logic doesn't make sense. The thing is it doesn't matter if a country allows legal CP possession or not, if someone is committed to the idea of wanting to rape a child they will do so regardless of whatever laws are on the books.

>>17
Those are not sources or a person to quote.

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-26 11:24

>>18
if someone is committed to the idea of wanting to rape a child they will do so regardless of whatever laws are on the books.

Can't you just sell them child-looking sex dolls?

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-26 16:53

>>19
That's becoming a thing already.

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-26 20:13

>>19
illegal in canada, the uk, etc

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-26 20:29

>>15
Wtf are you on about? >>3 explained why CP is illegal and not protected by the First Amendment by citing two Supreme Court cases.

Name: Anonymous 2017-10-26 21:38

The court is above the constitution.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-20 18:20

Child pornography was actually legal in Sweden for nine years (1971-1980):

https://www.thelocal.se/20090121/17058
While it’s widely known that a wave of liberal thinking about sex and pornography swept across Sweden in the 1960s, fewer people are aware that it led to the legalization of child pornography.
The government at the time initiated a review of freedom of speech laws in 1965, looking closely at provisions governing the portrayal of children.
In 1971, a new law was passed which made it legal to buy, sell, and possess child, animal, and violent pornography in Sweden.
In the wake of the relaxed restrictions, a number of pornographic magazines were produced with names like Teenangels, Bambino and Lolita, each sending obligatory issues for archiving at the National Library.
According to the Swedish Association for Sexuality Education (RFSU), Swedish attitudes towards child pornography were extremely liberal at the time.
Citing “the child’s right to sexuality”, the Swedish Federation for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Rights (Riksförbundet för sexuellt likaberättigande – RFSL) launched a 'paedophile working group' to lobby for lighter sentences for sex crimes against minors and for a lower age of consent.
RFSL’s efforts paid off in 1976, when a government commission issued a proposal including both suggestions, as well as the decriminalization of incest.
The bill never became law, however, and Sweden eventually recriminalized child pornography in 1980, and RFSL switched positions on the matter.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-20 19:22

I'm sure about one thing: sex videos (except violent/rape ones) are less dangerous than violent movies and video games, like GTA, promoting criminal behavior.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-21 1:56

I'm not a pedo yet I never watch any porn and certainly wouldn't watch any if I had to risk imprisonment to do so. Watching CP indicates self-control issues -- if you can't even control your desire to watch porn when threatened with imprisonment, how can anybody trust you to not also lack control when it comes to raping children?

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-21 2:13

>>24
Why did they recriminalize child porn?

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-21 8:40

>>26

A lot of people distribute CP just for kicks, out of protest. Because CP is the easiest way to break the law and get away with it.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-21 13:38

Not to be the obnoxious contrarian here who takes skepticism to its unreasonable extremes, but the way you put illustrates an uncanny--albeit minute--parallel between piracy and child porn, in that de facto propaganda against child porn and piracy are both equally antagonistic in a kind of specific way. What I mean is that piracy, in reality, we know for a fact doesn't harm the industry (I'm not saying child porn isn't harmful, it's a different issue with different consequences), but the propaganda against piracy creates the illusion that it does. Even if a pirate's outlook towards piracy is in contradiction with the propaganda, it's still built on the false premise that piracy is antagonistic, rebellious. In that way, the propaganda does its job by altering your world view.

That's all I've got. Just a little thought.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-21 16:19

>>27
Good question. The Swedish Social Democratic party had a big electoral defeat in 1979 and there was a coalition of conservative right-wing parties in power. My guess is that recriminalizing CP was one of the ways that the right said "fuck you" to the Social Democrats. It's interesting because I believe that CP was also technically legal in New York State in the USA at the time too. The 1970s were a real social libertarian time.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-21 16:59

>>31
Interesting. The way you put it I kind of inferred that legalizing child porn back fired on the public due to mass degeneracy or trafficking or something like that, not that it was the more superficial bureaucratic move of the next ruling party. I don't know what to think about that. It would have been nice to have seen that child porn experiment reach some logical conclusion. At least then it could have affected my outlook in some way. In a way, I'm kind of disappointed to hear that it didn't end in disaster.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-21 17:23

>>32
Yeah, it would be interesting to study that era and see how it correlates with rates of non-consentual child sex. The Czech Republic from its founding in 1993 to 2007 also had legal CP and there's been studies done claiming that legal CP correlates with lower rates of child sex abuse, although there needs to be more study to come up with a solid conclusion either way.

Name: Anonymous 2017-11-22 6:50

I mean, of course the rate of child sex abuse would go down if you change the criteria of what abuse constitutes.

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