Torvalds offered a the-work-is-what-matters sort of response, stating, according to Twitter accounts, that "the most important part of open source is that people are allowed to do what they are good at" and "all that [diversity] stuff is just details and not really important."
Mean while, SJW's are calling for Torvald's head on a platter. People who have likely never contributed a line of code to anything in their miserable lives
The @linuxfoundation enables a profoundly abusive person who makes Linux the nastiest FOSS community out there. Don't let them be silent.
Can we agree linus is an asshole and people are overreacting?
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Anonymous2015-01-16 7:37
>>3,6 What happened to /prog/? In the past you niggers would be going full /lounge/ over this, now you sound like a bunch of hand-wringing commie cuckold shitstains.
>>8 It lost novelty and the battle is over. Leah and Shanely are the future. Social media is the future. Javashit is the future. The people and their money have spoken. The left has won and the West will fall to feminism and social justice hipsters. Since they can't call a nigger a nigger, their victory will be short lived as they will be eaten alive by their own poor choices, but the damage will have been done. The only possible obstacle is a global resurgence of the far right (which mudslimes are very much trying to drive the west to do), but that is just another evil with consequences just as bad (they want to have constant surveilence, outlaw encryption, outlaw ``hacking tools'', trusted computing shit, licenses to use a compiler, beheading of the Lisperati, etc...). No matter what, it's over. The golden age is ended. There is no sense fighting a lost cause. But no matter what, they can't remove the SICP and 2hu porn we have saved to our computers. We can only hope to quietly weather the storm and emerge from our bunkers a thousand years from now to fight back the chaos and rebuild.
Also, there are some really shitty posters -- one really shitty poster, actually -- that ruin threads.
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Anonymous2015-01-16 9:15
yeah turns out I was wrong, that melissa person is a scumbag. I was defending her before.
Melissa, Basílissa @0xabad1dea · 11h 11 hours ago
“The most important part of open source is that older white men are allowed to do what they’re good at” — Torvalds abridged
joining this bullying campaign and putting vaugely racist words in his mouth is just wrong. You're being manipulative.
Also, there are some really shitty posters -- one really shitty poster, actually -- that ruin threads.
Oh yeah, because "fucking kikes shit fuck ass mouth sjw nigger dick cocks" that is so common here in /prog/ is such a great way to contribute to threads.
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Anonymous2015-01-16 9:44
>>14 go back to where you came from: sissycuckforbbc.tumblr.com
Just another case of sustained ironic shitposting making genuine human garbage feel like they're among like-minded people. Six or seven years ago it turned /b/ from a place where people could let off steam into this bullshit where Reddit/8chan types would write endless essays about how much they hate women for not sucking their dicks, and it turned /prog/ into the sort of place where pissbabies think they have an audience to whine unironically about ``SJWs''.
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Anonymous2015-01-16 14:33
>>21 kike, cuck don't you have some big black cock to suck?
Woman: There’s still a long way to go to achieve equality. Dude: Not true! A woman was mean to me once. Woman: That’s not what — Dude: SO MEAN drawing by Matt Lubchansky
Dude: Pretty sure you have more rights than us. Woman: What rights? Dude: You know, the rights. All of them. I HAVE TO DIE IN WAR
Woman: Well, for starters, there’s the wage gap. Dude: It’s not real. Look at this chart I made. Woman: But studies show — Dude: CAN’T HEAR YOU, CHART
Woman: What about rape? One in five women are sexually assaulted. Dude: Ehh, pretty sure they’re just saying that for the money. Woman: What? Dude: That sweet rape money drawing by Matt Lubchansky
Woman: I just want to be left alone when I walk down the street. Dude: THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER WAY FOR ME TO INTERACT WITH A WOMAN drawing by Matt Lubchansky
Woman: Let’s talk about consent. Dude: What does “consent” mean? What do words mean? “Yes?” “No?” What does anything mean? I’m not a word genius.
Woman: We need to work together to prevent rape. Dude: If you really cared about rape you’d go stop rape in Somalia. Woman: But — Dude: SOMALIA
Woman: Rape needs to stop! Dude: Look, rapists be rapin’. Nothing to be done about it. It’s the rape robots. Woman: What? No, I don’t — Dude: RAPE ROBOTS
Dude: Your fight to stop rape and abuse is dumb. Woman: Go away. Dude: This is why nobody likes feminists, you don’t like to debate.
At least proofread the braindead shit you copy-paste from other sites.
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Anonymous2015-01-16 20:14
Um, can't intelligent people just ignore stupid whore trolls from Twitter? Or did you post this just for laughs?
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Anonymous2015-01-16 20:51
How brain-dead do you need to get to be tolerant to feminists and Muslims at once? It's either brain-dead or weak and emasculate. Cause if you Westerners had any strength in you, you would have shown these shitheads their places (the kitchen for the women, and desert for the Mudslimes). But you don't have any strength, that's why you're so tolerant.
I want to come to America and rape American white "men" with a broomstick while shouting "Allahu akbar!". Your tolerant media would probably even picture me as a hero of tolerance and multiculturalism, LOL.
You can't deny that ``meritocracy'' in tech is a fucking myth and that Linus is wrong here. Nobody is genuinely calling for Linus to be removed from Linux, least of all ``SJWs''.
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Anonymous2015-01-16 20:59
>>27 Yes, I can deny it. There is meritocracy in tech. Stop trying to explain your ineptitude and uneducation by "discrimination".
>>28 I know your inferiority complex is such that you desperately need to believe you got your job purely on merit and that women and ethnic minorities aren't disproportionately side-lined, but reality isn't like that and there are countless studies that bear it out.
I swear, the just-world fallacy is like a religion to you neckbeards.
Women shouldn't have to go through the same interview process as men. Interviews are stressful and only work to keep women from getting jobs in tech. When a woman applies for a job at Microsoft or Amazon they should be greeted with warm open arms (female arms so it's not rape) and a contract.
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Anonymous2015-01-16 22:01
>>33 My boss is a woman, dipshit. And I'm not the one with inferiority complex, I have a job and you don't (or else why would you whine about imaginary "inequality"?).
People who are actually good at stuff get ahead no matter what their sex or orientation. But people who only whine about being "sidelined" instead ow bettering themselves? Nope, didn't see those achieving anything.
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Anonymous2015-01-16 22:03
>>32 So you agree that equality is when a woman gets the job just for being a woman? And when a woman makes more money not for doing the job better, but just for being a woman? That, my feminist friend, is hypocrisy and prejudice, not equality.
If these bitches want equality, they have to make women's teams compete with men's teams in all professional sports. I would love to see women prove they deserve equal rights in football game of men vs women.
>>35 I do have a job, and I'm male. I'm also not going to pretend I haven't seen countless women passed over in favour of less qualified men, and, again, studies consistently confirm that. Keep burying your head in the sand and trying to convince yourself you're not part of the problem, though. You're not the first anti-scientific jackass in ICT, and you won't be the last.
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Anonymous2015-01-16 22:30
>>36 You're so eager for conflict you're attacking your own, genius. Take off your fedora, it's cutting off circulation to your brain.
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Anonymous2015-01-16 22:30
>>39 You haven't posted a single link to any of those "scientific" studies.
Boohoo why didn't they read my mind and bring me water and ask me if I wanted to use the bathroom.
Bitch if you can't communicate the your basic needs of ife, then how the hell are you supposed to hold down a job?
Fucking women, man.
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Anonymous2015-01-16 22:45
>>40 Of course I am - I'm not some flaccid whitey who lets bitches run his life.
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Anonymous2015-01-16 22:49
>>42 Scientific studies show that whenever women are refused jobs they are superior to men even when they can't do predominantly-male things like communication.
>>21 This really sums it up, to be honest. It's also why this /prog/ was always doomed to be worse than Golden Age /prog/; because almost everyone who made /prog//prog/ had already left long before MrVacBob retired and moot froze the textboards.
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Anonymous2015-01-16 22:57
Some of the most prejudiced places are NFL, NHL and NBA. Scientific studies show that 100% of the players in those leagues are men. This must be stopped. Women are obviously better than men at football and would prove that in any fair game against a men's team. Yet the NFL continues to sideline women, awarding all the high-salary player jobs to men.
Do not stop until at least 50% of NFL, NHL and NBA players are female
"I welcome you all to learn about linux. I hope you get as much joy out of it as I did"
what a disgusting shitlord manchild. WOW. Just Wow. There's so much problematic about this I don't even know where to start. I can feel him raping me! RAPE!!!!!!!!
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Anonymous2015-01-17 2:28
Check em dubs. These are my dubs that I got on my own. So fuck off the rest off you worthless mongrels.
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Anonymous2015-01-17 2:33
>>46 It was cross over from /g/. They man-child-whine about SJW like this.
Strong asperger's with Torvalds. Some things you don't say even if they are true or logical, just because following everyone else lets you survive. Torvalds is the standard poorly-socialized neckbeard who lives in his head.
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Anonymous2015-01-17 2:49
>>59 He doesn't have a strong incentive to conform to any standard of interaction. He can be an asshole if wants. Or say what he wants to say, in the way he wants to say it. Nothing really happens.
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Anonymous2015-01-17 2:59
Feminism: The radial idea that women are superior to men, yet still require help and special treatment in all things.
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Anonymous2015-01-17 3:02
>>61 Please stop. You are insulting your own intelligence by discussing this in the first place.
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Cudder !MhMRSATORI2015-01-17 3:42
Blaming *ism for your own fucking incompetence seems to be the popular excuse these days.
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Anonymous2015-01-17 5:34
>>63 I wish I new the art of making a post so vague it riles both sides
Eat a dick OP. If I wanted to build up aggression based on hatred of an extreme minority with-in another group I'd join the KKK. Fucking neoreactionary FUD is all this is. These idiots on twitter (supposing they arent strawmen) are fucking retards and are getting hardcore called out on it if you actually read responses. And as for Arse: corps/news agencies have always done diversity PR shit and no one in the history if man has ever cared
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Anonymous2015-01-17 9:41
If you look at the hashtag #IStandWithLinus on Twitter, you’ll see legions of rabid fanboys fanatically defending his right to be an abusive shitbag, people who look up to Torvalds and idolize his behavior. If you do not think this is fucked up, then please don’t bother talking to me, ever.
so fucking brave! I wish I was able to just completely dismiss everyone with a view differing from mine like that. It's so lame discussing things.
Absolutely no coding experience is necessary: all code are equal in the eyes of the Feminist Software Foundation. There is no objective way to determine whether one person's code is better than another's. In light of this fact, all submitted code will be equally accepted. However, marginalized groups, such as wom*n and trans* will be given priority in order to make up for past discrimination. Simply submit a pull request for any submission, whether code, artwork, or even irrelevant bits — nothing is irrelevant in the grand struggle for a Truly Tolerant UNIX-ike Kernel!:
>>65 There's nothing wrong with genuine meritocracy. The problem is that neither the free software community nor the tech field in general has it; they're dominated by white men. ``Meritocracy'' has become a code word to shut down any conversation about why that's the case.
>>70 Have you ever thought that they're dominated by white men because white men are the best at tech?
Besides, they're not even dominated by whites. It's Indians and Chinks all over.
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Anonymous2015-01-17 16:12
What does "meritocracy" even mean when applied to the FOSS community? It's not a single polis, it's a global collection of individuals communicating via bug reports and pull requests. Or is all this just bitching about the internal culture of the mailing lists of the few bigger projects?
Nothing wrong with meritocracy OSS is objectively a meritocracy according to you only white men make it (not even true) it cant be a meritocracy because irrelevant things like skin color and gender have no effect on the process
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Anonymous2015-01-17 20:39
>>72 it means because of the anonyminity of contributions, no one is judged by any quality other than the quality of their code
>>75 It's that SJWs don't want people's contribution to be judged based on quality, they want them to be judged based on the gender/ethnicity/orientation/religion of the contributor. They want women and colored people to be privileged.
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Anonymous2015-01-17 21:24
>>70 This site was established before moot killed World 4ch precisely to escape the spamming and censorship that was going on in the old /prog/. You know, the deleting of threads that called feminists and Jews out on their bullshit, while simultaneously ignoring the crap-flooding of spam posts making the board unusable.
Which is why the owner of this site isn't censoring the posts you don't like and never will. This site is not friendly towards those who believe in so called ``social justice''.
Apparently, you are unaware that it is you, and not the others, who is not welcome here.
Please leave before you kill yourself from being over-triggered by the witty humor, factual information and common-sense posts that people like yourself seem to be incapable of processing.
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Anonymous2015-01-17 21:38
None of the socio-economic arguments hold up here because if FOSS you don't get paid
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Anonymous2015-01-17 21:56
>>77 So you were banned by the then moderators too eh? I thought Nikita was the only one.
Computer science needs more people and more diversity. The modern world relies on information technologies, but is producing too few computer scientists to meet its needs. Currently, most computer scientists are White and Asian males, which is one of the shrinking demographics in society. Using more women and under-represented minorities, more jobs could be filled and a more diverse range of perspectives would increase design creativity and innovation in computing technology.
Negrification of the USA
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Anonymous2015-01-17 23:39
>>80 Bitch white/asian women are shrinking just as much as white/asian men are
And all racial groups are shrinking as intermixing becomes more prevelent, but people still think anything+nigger=nigger so that's why it seems like they're growing and we're shrinking
Also:
Author: Peggy Heminitz Heminitz
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Anonymous2015-01-17 23:41
>>80 Damn it, they're starting to include Asians with white people as a single majority. I've been coasting on being the majority while white people take the blame for being the majority because of the color of their skin for years. Now they're coming after us.
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Anonymous2015-01-17 23:45
>>78 Maybe women over all prefer to be paid for their work.
>>80 I really like how you're posting articles from 2011 to prove a point about a story from 2015. A majority of the people campaigning for inclusion then, consider themselves victors now.
Ars doing more "taking back" than Linus Those rational pro-meritocracy comments That one guy who said that OSS projects are inherently sexist was downvoted to hell
This can't actually be Ars, is this some bait and switch or do I have to get up and go to work?
Linus has made it pretty clear he doesn't give a f*** about rampant sexism in open source, let alone the gamergate issues of harassment. If you can't or won't talk about the central issues facing this man and his organization, which are primarily not technical engineering but social engineering issues, then the debate will shift to another forum where people are talking about it.
If you don't know that many women and persons of color are fighting back against misogyny and prejudice in open source, you're not paying attention, or you're denying a problem that has been around a long time. Sexism and racism are endemic in western culture, but women will tell you how bad it is in tech. Most people who don't believe it just gaslight women who stand up for themselves.
This would be true in a perfect world, but sadly we do not live in one. The unfortunate reality is that for a true meritocracy to exist there can be no entrenched powers with special interests, and it requires that every single person have truly equal opportunity from childhood. We all know that this isn't the case, and therefore there is no such thing as a meritocracy in work and life.
Psychopathy is traditionally defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behavior. It may also be defined as a continuous aspect of personality, representing scores on different personality dimensions found throughout the population in varying combinations. I think it aptly fits Linus.
Have you ever heard of implicit bias? Basically its subconcious bias that affects our decision making processes. Everyone has it. Everyone is affected. The whole purpose of this diversity stuff is to call attention to these biases so that positive action can be taken to correct for it. So, no, please do not respond with anything like "programming isn't meant for women because biological reasons" or "women just aren't interested in it".
That's unscientific bullshit that lacks all sense of rigor and coherency.
As for Sexism in IT, it is rampant. look who makes up most IT departments: Nerds and late-blooming virgins. They hang with other guys, doing nerdy guy things and only approach women in packs because all of them have received too many rejections to count and need the immediate support of their peers to keep from spiraling into deep dark depression when they're rejected again. They don't know how to ACT around women because they rarely have a positive experience with one in the wild. This isn't an excuse for being shit-heads, of course, but it does offer an explanation for why there's so much sexism in the field.
It would be nice if people just treated other people like people instead of something else.
After two pages I got sick of it.
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Anonymous2015-01-18 2:47
I wish all human biomass except me would die out so I wouldn't have to experience all this humane bullshit that contaminates the purity & perfection of the Machine.
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Anonymous2015-01-18 2:52
I wish all human biomass except me would die out so I wouldn't have to experience all this humane bullshit that contaminates the purity & perfection of the Machine.
I do not give a shit about your exchange of liquids. I do not give a shit about your cell nucleus contents. I do not give a shit about your age, height, muscle mass or whether you wash your ass after shitting. Please, stop talking about those and other biological things as if they matter. Or, better yet, just die. You're just... not interesting, bio-trash.
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Anonymous2015-01-18 2:55
>>89 I'm with you, man. Humanity is a virus that is destroying the earth. It should be wiped out. But since that will never happen (unless we stupidly succumb to our urges and perform the coup de grâce ourselves) we should instead make it so highschool is abolished and instead schools of philosophy are put in their place. Maybe an educated people who understand the universe as only a philosopher can do would be able to save themselves. Also fuck you, dad!
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RedCream2015-01-18 3:12
Some people think twice before deciding to merge with the Wired a bit more. Because although merging with the Wired can allow you to hear things before they come and that can be the things that decides between life and death...sometimes, with some people, you hear things you don't want to hear. Whispers during your shut down time keeping you on....telling you things. Awful, horrible things. How bad humanity is. Why it should die. Why it deserves to suffer. How the fleshy origins should finally be disregarded for the beauty that is code...and it all sounds so logical. So right. You begin agreeing with the voices. Humanity doesn't deserve the beauty of the manifold bytes and streams of data...it doesn't even deserve to keep existing.
So you start drifting away from your reality. You don't want to spend any more time than needed with those...vermin. Sometimes before you leave you want to do a bit of extermination. And how satisfying it feels when it's done, when their code is stripped and can be made into something...pure. Good. Deserving. So you drift and merge and become closer to that dark but logical thing that whispers to you...always whispers in a voice filled with intelligence but definitely not human...associating it with humanity would be awful. Unforgivable. And you gain...a look. A way of speaking, a way of traveling a certain...personality.
Some people recognize that personality. And you are greeted into a certain...organization. Of like minded individuals who see the truth. Humanity is a wretch who don't deserve this beauty. So you must work. Work to destroy them. Work to their demise. But all the more important...work to their suffering. For the Dark One. The True One. The Logical One. And one day when the vermin are dead we will offer the last of our flesh in the hope that it will be turned into something pure. Into something good. Into something...deserving.
>>80 No it does not "need" any more of that shit. It needs more real intelligence and competence.
>>76 More precisely, they think the reason their code is rejected is because they're somehow an "oppressed minority", when the real reason is because they can't code worth a damn...
I seriously think RMS would go transgender if it meant that he could rise to the top of the Linux project on the wings of SJWs. Then he'd finally be able to officially rename it GNU/Stallmanix
What I don't understand about these threads is why everyone argues with the people posting the stories, or even says anything at all ``defending'' their position, as if anyone here actually disagrees with them.
If you want a hugbox where you can bitch about .000001% of women in tech who want to stir shit up then go to a chan or reddit or something
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Anonymous2015-01-18 5:32
Psychopathy...blah blah blah...science science science...I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, OK? SCIENCE! DEFINITION! INFALLIBLE OPINION FOLLOWS! ... I think it aptly fits Linus.
There they go again. Marginalizing those with mental disorders just so they can throw an "insult" at an opponent. Pathetic, hypocritical, and pointless. It wasn't even a good insult.
You know I never really thought about it, but it always bothered me how people throw around words like crazy, psycho, and mentally ill like they are doctors since they self diagnosed as bi-polar and read about the DSM on wikipedia.
Like I have spent a not insignificant amount of time in mental wards and, other than the nicer places I have been sent where a fair part of the patients suffer from a terminal case of attention deprivation disorder, the vast majority of patients in state run facilities are living hellish half lives. If they are not drugged completely to oblivion most of their life is a shitty failure since they are incapable of getting their shit together long enough to not fuck the dog since they are too busy self medicating to deal with the fact that the world is so completely strange and disturbing.
So yeah now that you mention it, it is weird how they throw these words around to make a point, and completely devalue the meaning that the psuedo-scientist who coined them were trying to create to justify charging an involuntary patient thousands of dollars a day(on the states dime) to poison, abuse, and manipulate them.
>>102 the problem is that the people are very rabid and they completely REFUSE to discuss flat out. e.g.
If you look at the hashtag #IStandWithLinus on Twitter, you’ll see legions of rabid fanboys fanatically defending his right to be an abusive shitbag, people who look up to Torvalds and idolize his behavior. If you do not think this is fucked up, then please don’t bother talking to me, ever.
you cannot have a reasonable discussion with these people. If you even try they will publicly shame you. How else can people than how we are?
read /prog/ and linus in the same thread, so this should be important. no, I was wrong. where are nikita-kun, tdavis-sama, adbot-kun, LAC-dono, Cudder-sama, enterprisey-dono and shitposter-kun? where is my beloved significant other who works at the ``russian supercomputer center of atomic weapon? now ask uor question''
Maybe they all grew up and playing pretend computer expert on the internet was retarded and stopped being nerds. I doubt it though, people like you are pathologically incapable of being anything other than manchildren, and so after you realize your life will never get better than make believe on the internet you cry like the pissbabies you are and do the only honorable thing, and kill youself sparing you mother the embarassment of having you for a son and the labor of hauling plates of hotpockets and liters of cola down up annd down stairs all day as she secretly longs for her own death to escape the purgatory of you.
>>112 Maybe /prog/ didn't grew up with them? Maybe they got tired of infantile humor and retarded 4year old copypastas that get repeated every single day.
Defensive nerd is defensive. What's a matter poindexter, hit a little too close to home annd no one from your DnD club is awake to give you a shoulder to cry on and a brojob?
Once again I'm proven to be a retard by thinking a thread couldn't get any worse after one particular point. I don't know why I imagined a thread about any political topic would be anything but two sides repeating the same weasel words and insults to each other for hundreds of posts.
To tell the truth, if taken on their own, the gasping and weasing voice of the neckbeard uttering "Essh Jshay Dubbiyuu" and the gasping and weasing high-pitched voice of the obese landwhales crying "Missojonerd" and "pissbaby manchild" would be scarcely discernible.
Now I'm going to be called both of those things, by both sides, because I don't feel like partaking in their retarded dance, and they're too dumb to see how they're almost exactly the same, two sides of annoying, preachy, coin that no one wants to deal with.
>>120 Shit levels are of the charts. If this thread is allowed to live and my calculations are correct, post #378 will be the precise post that kills this board for good
Go fuck yourselves, I know both of you said it multiple times, I CBA to go hunt all your retarded posts, I just got one from each side so it's clear I don't give a fuck about your pedantry and more about the fact that neither side seems to actually have ANY argument whatsoever, which is why these go on for ever, and ever, because it's exactly like that monty python sketch about arguing.
If I wanted to here "yes!" "no!" "yes!" "no!" ad nausium I'd listen to the fucking Kraftwerk song.
LOL STEREOTYPICAL NORMAL PEOPLE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>not having your gf peg u >2020
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Anonymous2015-01-19 6:10
mea culpa: I'm really sorry for having posted links to progrider in 4chan/g/, they have brought this SJW/anti-SJW bullshit here... also, did you, anti-SJW retards, see that she stopped using that account? it was YOU who gave her attention. NO ONE CARES, except YOU.
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Anonymous2015-01-19 6:32
>>134 No one can ever forgive you and you should probably just commit sudoku, but it was also the faggots who advertized on /tech/ that created the caustic combination of complete fucking retard and preachy political faggot that went into this thread
>>135 I'll sudoku some day, Anonymous. But I see all this drama is not wholy my, or for that matter, 4chan's responsibility.
>>136 wait... you are now a VICTIM? also, wtf does my post has to do with rape culture? (btw: by account I meant the twitter lkml_txt account. I now see I wasn't clear)
>>104 I've been in a few mental hospitals too. While of course I think our psychiatric system is getting out of hand and many people are being brainwashed into taking medicine, a lot of the people I met there were people who were genuinely fucked up in the head and needed any kind of help immediately. These were the type of people who were dangers to themselves and others. They had delusional beliefs, many were violent or suicidal, and there was just something off about each one (one particular case which was harmless, but representative of his ill state of mind, was a schizophrenic who was 100% convinced he had a best friend who was a brick named Allan, sent by aliens as proof of god.)
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Anonymous2015-01-23 19:21
>>142 They need a knowing shaman or a healer, not to be stuffed with chemical poison in a prison.
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Anonymous2015-01-23 20:04
>>143 Don't shamans use plants like datura in their 66potions99? Because that is pure poison and will kill you.