Tell me about your projects!

I'm pretty curious: do you /prog/riders expend your free time doing some personal projects?
In what kind of things you are working?

tell me everything

I'm working on two ncurses online multiplayer games.

I once read on the Internet telling others about your half-completed projects only hurts your productivity because just the fact of doing so makes you feel accomplished and that's why I won't say what my projects are.

Maybe when they're playable I'll post in this thread.

>>2
I once read on the internet that telling others about your half-completed projects motivates you into completing them because you've made others expect results.

I think I see the problem here, we should just be working on our projects instead of reading things on the internet.

>>3
The article I read explicitly ``debunked'' that same statement. Instead of making others expect results, you're just deluding yourself into thinking you've made resul-

we should just be working on our projects instead of reading things on the internet.

shit

What is this `free time' you keep talking about?

In what kind of things you are working?

a wannabe c compiler, it can do structs and pointers and recursion and shit.

>>5

What is this `free time' you keep talking about?

and i thought this was the land of NEETs

oh and last month my project was writing a piece of shit to browses and search the /prog/ archive

>>6
This is definitely not the land of NEETs. I'd say most people here are employed, or in University, or something of the sort.

>>8

/prog/
not the land of NEETs

My whole life is a lie.

>>9
Excuse me kind sir. May I ask you who the fuck are you paraphrasing?

>>10
The Doctor. Just the Doctor.

According to my GitHub graph I haven't really done anything since March. Depression is a bitch.

A chat server/client that shall work in a pseudo-decentralized way by sending the current server IP via mail. We will use it as an alternative to Skype.

>>13
I hope you are joking.

1. A client/server for sending and receiving delta updates to a shared blob of data with a group of peers where each knows the address of the other, optionally as hidden services.

2. A database that stores these updates and sends new updates to the other peers. It would probably keep a revision number or something. I'm not sure how race conditions should be resolved. I guess all updates can just have a time stamp associated with it and they can be sorted out that way across all the peers.

3. A webserver that displays the current state of the database in an intuitive manner. A web interface may also allow users to push changes to the database associated with the webserver, which may then push changes to the other peers.

I think a product that provides features 1 - 3 would be useful for a lot of things. We need to move more services into a distributed model. There has to be a translation from the centralized server to this network of happy pseudo anonymous peers.

4. A database and web interface to a bbs tied into the structure above.

5. A necessary but orthogonal feature would be spam control on the web interfaces as well as handling of impolite peers.

With some free time that will be coming up. I'll go for a sprint of the above. I'll try to keep it generic and reusable so it may be used for sites other than a bbs... It'll be really basic and easy to spam at first, but I'll host it anyways...when I can...

>>15
Sounds like you want HTSQL. And if you replace "centralized server" and "peers where each knows the address of the other" to "decentralized network" and "peers that use a datastore, and multicast these streams," it would feel a lot like the gnunet project. Oh well, I hope it works out for you.

>>16
HTSQL looks nice. It might open DDOS attacks though if peers can repeatedly run expensive queries. The protocol will probably stay restricted to delta updates for the peer communication, and page requests to the web interface.

Yeah, I read the slides on gnunet that were linked here I think. I'll keep this stuff simple though. It'll just assume each peer has a table of addresses of the other peers (which may change dynamically, and peers may come on and off line), and these addresses may be ip addresses or something else like a tor hidden service. Communication among pears is done by TCP for compatibility with tor, and probably anonymity networks in general.

What constitutes a delta update would become application specific. A new post or a new thread on the bbs is published. Friend A uploaded a new photo. Etc. Both binary and textual data should be supported, and compression could be nice. Although unpacking opens up more DDOS attacks, zip bombs, etc. Distbb only needs text, so that is easier.

I'll focus on the functionality first, and worry about plugging holes for spam and abuse later. Maybe spam prevention and malicious peer detection can be implemented at a more generic level than the bbs.

>>17

It might open DDOS attacks though if peers can repeatedly run expensive queries

Um, you configure the database however you want. So you can use PostgreSQL to keep the data, and configure with timeouts. HTSQL is mostly about an interface using HTTP almost directly to a database, with it's own query language. A well designed one at that. Heck, if you want to secure queries from spam, have the user log in at every transaction, then log out. Only whitelisted peers can make extended queries.

restricted to delta updates

That's fine. Just be sure to know that delta updates on a datastore have infinitely increasing size.

Both binary and textual data should be supported,

Just use binary, with a header describing the type of transmission, size, and checksum. If you must encrypt, do it Encrypt and MAC. Mime is the simple way out, but there are more schemas as well you can use.

I'll focus on the functionality first,

kk, I look forward to it.

>>18
I guess HTSQL offers the most flexibility. The way I had anticipated it was that all peers would sync all data indiscriminately. But the user might not be interested in all information, and if the amount of information is large, the clients should be able to make more specific queries to single out the data that's valuable to the user. So, there could be two possible solutions. One is to just provide HTSQL, and let the application define the database schemas and keep access secure. Another is to create a half-baked poorly implemented reinvention of HTSQL, which may or may not be better than HTSQL. A limited subset of HTSQL could be supported for security, keeping out expensive queries, or for simplifying the required database backend.

Ehhh, I think HTSQL is too generic. What if a peer wanted to delete a submission it had made? It could use a HTSQL command to delete the entry from another peer(s). But how is this deletion propagated to other peers that the original contributor doesn't know about at that moment? They'll still have the record intended for deletion and be out of sync with the other peers. Instead the record should be marked as revoked by it's author, and polite peers should remove the record from their local storage while keeping a key for the record with a deletion tag. So other peers that sync at a later time can discover the deletion event and decide how to handle it then, and peers that search for that specific record key may see a message that it was deleted by its author.

HTSQL is perfect for making read only queries though. I want to make the mutator requests safer, but without restricting it too much. Ideally the application wouldn't need to worry about the details of keeping things in sync. This should be taken care of by the thing and the application would just make potentially detailed reading queries, pushing binary blob items with meta information out to the other peers, and maybe making requests to the network at large, like please delete this naked picture I uploaded while drunk, and maybe other misc requests like that.

>>19
I am not so sure I get you. Just sounding off with an interface you could use. If it is for distbb, I have no idea. I haven't taken a look the spec yet. Re-reading it, makes me confused:
https://ivasiwlrjq5dxk6b.onion/p/distbb/artifact/37a366acc2f9309d87103374f9c48ba0f2c08e02

It needs an about page.

I would do it the GNUnet way, datastore the DHT DNS system (GADS) for naming/assigning peers, and use your p2p protocol of choice to talk to the peers. GNUnet adopted the secushare project, so that PSYC is used for the multicast protocol. At every interval the PSYC module sends junk out in multicast as both a way to confuse attackers, and say I am alive to the DHT, even if the user is on IDLE.

I would have personally cheated and just use IRC or HTTP, but hey, they only want PSYC to semantically "update" an older client with the new protocol scheme, so that the client may behave as the newer & updated version.

>>20
I am not >>19, or >>15.

But how is this deletion propagated to other peers

If they are using multicast, a peer can update all peers of the update. If centralized, the server can issue an update/delta. Both might issue a statement like this:
diff DELETE FROM thread_progrider.distbb_talk WHERE post_id = '2,3-6'

HTSQL is perfect for making read only queries though.

Erm, no:
http://htsql.org/doc/admin/usage.html

delete(feed)

Deletes records from a table.

And sorry, it was just a suggestion. The current implementation uses python, and they are looking for someone to rebuild it into C, or anything faster.

>>21
I'm just measuring the benefits and draw backs of using something like HTSQL to just proxy sql commands over a network, or providing a more special purpose protocol that could be safer for keeping synchronization but also more restrictive and reinvented. The concept of executing SQL remotely gives the most flexibility, but may push too many synchronization details into the application. But maybe these are necessary. I was hoping to abstract that sort of stuff so the applications would be easier to write.

For the anonymity stuff I'm just relying on Tor for now. Since tor can act pretty transparently, I'm not putting any details like that into it and just assuming some kind of ip address or domain name is resolved and a TCP connection is created.

Also I have distbb in mind for the first application of this, but I want to generalize it other sorts of websites that are 2.0 and typically centralized.

>>22
Yeah, a rouge client could probably mess stuff up. The read only SQL commands would be good though. If the client wants some specific information about a peer's database, if the protocol can't specify a way to get it, the client will get the information by retrieving more information than necessary, which will put more load on network.

>>23

I was hoping to abstract that sort of stuff so the applications would be easier to write.

What are procedure⸮

Also, can you clarify the purpose? You are confusing me even more.

What you told to >>22 confused it even more. Elaborate please.

>>24
I am sorry. I often speak from my own context without establishing it. Uhmmm, so most of web 2.0 involves presenting information to users in a structured way that is easy to navigate. Users are capable of submitting various kinds of content to the site. But the site is always centralized. So I would like to make a framework of some sort, that would take care of the p2p stuff for such a distributed site. I am taking a lot of inspiration from the gnunet slides. Particularly where that one guy listed the tradoffs of a distributed service, and that his area of research is to make distributed software easier. So I'd like to make a general purpose framework that would be used to run a typical web 2.0 site.

There are two components, the framework, and the application.

Duties of the framework:
* manage the dht of peers that act as hosts for the service
** peers may go offline and their addresses may change.

* maintain a database of content items. From the point of view of the framework, a content item is a binary blob with a set of key values pairs that describe meta data associated to the blob. The framework may also store its own meta information in content items, in particular the time stamp of when the content item was imported into the peer's local database, and possibly the peer it was synced from. Each meta data field may be used as an index for search.

* sync new content items from the other known peers. Content may be filtered using meta data tags when it is synced. For example, if the peers maintained a bbs, the application may request the framework to sync only the threads from /prog/ and /lounge/, while ignoring unsynced threads from /newpol/. The framework will store the fetched content items and alert the application to their presence. The framework maintains steady communication with the other peers and awaits new content.

* Accept new content from the application. The application may be a local browser run directly by the user. The application could also be a http server, that presents users with a web interface to browse the local database of content. Users of the web application may submit data to the http server, which then wraps the data as an appropriate content item with meta data and passes it on to the framework, whom then handles propagation across the peers.

* Maintain a change log, which is a log of all changes to content sorted by time stamp. Other peers may request to sync all changes between a specified revision or time range. Other peers may request to only sync content within a time interval that has meta information matching a given set of filters.

* Cull content that is requested to be deleted by the original author of the content. Identity of the author would be authenticated somehow, perhaps by a cryptographic method. When content is submitted, the author could generate a random string, and a hash of it and attach the hash as meta information, DELETE_HASH. Then when the delete request is submitted to a peer, the delete request contains the original string generated by the author. The peer verifies the string matches the hash, deletes the content from local storage (if the framework is polite), alerts the application to the deleted content, and echos the delete request to the other peers if necessary. The delete request will also appear in the change log. The key of the deleted content item may be retained to give an appropriate error message if the application or a peer requests the deleted content item. Delete requests may also be received from the application.

* Meta data modification. Peers or the application may modify meta data values or add new key value pairs to existing content items. These changes are to be propagated to other peers.

* A moderation system. Moderators with identities may flag content items, contributing values to a moderation tag. Each content item contains a list of moderator designations, which contain a rating, categorization, comment, identity of the moderator and signature of the moderator.

* Remove only from local storage. If requested by the application or a local configuration utility, the framework may remove certain content items from local storage, but not indicate their deletion on the network. If the content is needed in the future, it can hopefully be fetched from a peer that still stores the content item. If all peers remove the same content item from local storage during the same time, the content is lost.

* accept peer configuration from the application or configuration utility. The moderation system may be extended to peers to identify malicious peers. Hopefully a white list of polite peers may be gathered and become large enough to ensure stable access to content items.

* When syncing, complicated queries may be provided for reading content filtered by meta data tags from other peers. When pushing content content items to the other peers, simply the presence of the new content item is communicated. Write access to peers is limited to introduction of new content items and delete requests (which may only be done by the original author).

* support meta data marking of content items that specify white and black lists for peers that are allowed to receive the content item.

Ok and now the roles of the application and how it may interact with the framework. A typical application would be a local browser or a http server.

* The application will treat the framework as a distributed database. Complex read-only queries may be executed, searching for content items based upon meta data tags. Searches may be performed locally and on peers (suitable for devices with the capability to run the framework and an application, but lack the storage to keep a local copy of the content items). In the typical example of a http server, the application may listen for GET requests, parse the uri, look up the relevant content items from the framework using either local or a peer's storage, and then assemble the fetched content items into a web page for the internet user.

* The application will create new content items with meta data and hand them to the framework. The framework will manage propagation of the content items.

* The application may perform a delete request on the framework. The framework shall then verify the delete request, perform the deletion locally, and propagate the delete request to the other peers.

* The application may write changes to the local storage managed by the framework. The framework will maintain a change list of affected content items.

Are there any programs for helping manage a web of trust? Like people could maintain a collection of public keys. Keys exchanged in person could be manually added with a trust level. And then friends that have already exchanged keys can send signed keys to one another automatically. When a signed key is received, it can be labeled with an origin, so if the key is found to be false, the act of the origin can be reported to the network. It should be user friendly enough so someone who barely knows what encryption and keys are could use it.

>>26
you mean something like sks keyservers?

https://bitbucket.org/skskeyserver/sks-keyserver/wiki/Home

>>27
I thought something like that would exist. That's one less thing I have to do.

>>28
distributed wot is a nice thing, but we still need that ``killer app'' so more people starts using it

>>29
It looks like it's written in ocaml which is too bad. And it depends on Berkeley db, which seems waaaay overkill. The application is trivial enough. Why did they make it so hard to deploy to anything outside of a linux box?

I think I'm going to call the peer hosting software, Shared Hosting Interface Technology. I'm looking for an easy binary protocol that represents data equivalent to sexps. I couldn't find one during the brief search that I did, do I'm making one now, Binary Sexpressions. I decided to go with C. It'll be fast, portable enough with macro duct tape, sockets will be flexible, and hopefully it'll be small enough to verify correctness and safety. Wish me luck /prok/.

I can only dream that one day, distbb or maybe other such things, will be powered by SHIT, using the BS protocol.

>>31-32
Eagerly waiting.

The binary s expression library is starting to look like what one anon was hinting at when describing a higher order function library for file io. Except I'm using higher order functions in C. It's kind of interesting but more messy than interesting. Which is a better name, BS or BiSex_pressions

The bottom layer of the protocol is mostly complete. You can send/receive uint8, uint16, uint32, uint64, sequences, and binary blobs. I'll be adding some more utility functions for reading short blobs into memory buffers, adding type tags, and so on. Trigger warning, it's kind of shitty.



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Wow, the old 4chanprog.git repo still works. And I can commit using tor.

http://repo.or.cz/w/4chanprog.git/shortlog/refs/heads/mob

about using the mob branch: http://repo.or.cz/h/mob.html

This should do it...

torsocks git clone git://repo.or.cz/4chanprog.git 4chanprog
cd 4chanprog
torsocks git checkout mob
torsocks git remote set-url --push origin ssh://mob@repo.or.cz/srv/git/4chanprog.git


Then

torsocks git push
torsocks git pull

seem to work ok.

I submitted the bisexp project there for now. You are welcome to contribute/ravage/vandalize it as you wish.

>>35
キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━!!!!!, (゜∀゜)━━!!

>>36
updated

http://repo.or.cz/w/4chanprog.git/blob/refs/heads/mob:/bisexp/layer0/bs_io_pipes.c

I wrote a binary viewer as a byte stream pipe line using parametric polymorphism. Is it kawaii?

Example usage is here
http://repo.or.cz/w/4chanprog.git/blob/refs/heads/mob:/bisexp/layer0/tests/linux/debug/bs_debug.c

>>39
DON'T SAGE IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE (but do sage if you don't). I wouldn't have found this thread if I hadn't scrolled down in a whim.

It is kawaii.

>>40
ok

Now it has some integration with openssl. It might have a bug with partial reads and writes, but I'm too lazy to fix it right now.

>>1
i am making a game engine using an entity-component system. It is a very interesting concept and probably better than OOP at making complex simulation programs.
It also makes it very easy to implement a "data-driven" design which gives significant performance improvement. Unfortunatly, I am implementing it in a shit prog lang which cannot store objects/struct by value in an array.

Where's Touhou roguelike in Lisp-san?

On average, how many lines of code do you make on your personal programming projects per day?

>>44
400 per week.

>>44
OVER 9000 XD

>>46
What? :DDD 9000? :DDD xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Check em

>>48
Check my anus

>>48
ouch, looks like you've got duds!

>>1
Working on a scheme compiler, guided by the firm yet gentle vision of sussmans anus

Working on an alternative to the massively outdated von-Neumann and Harvard architectures.

wise men call me a genious

stupid and evil men call me crazy

full scheme webappin stack (chicken back, biwa front) with sexps over http, for an appin appventure with potential for appitization and monetizapping

a not very serious unity3d project that i might rewrite some of in F# because both of those things are qt as fuck

a personalized tool for live music improvisation and light control/visualizations meant to run at the os-level to maximize hw u$age (i'm a lesbian hymie black-and-proud rapper/performance artist who identifies as a middle manager, my rhymes are tite fam, my code is dope as shit, my ass is YHBT )

I'm writing Android apps and hoping I get rich enough to never have to program for someone else again.

HAX MY ANUS
>>55
sweet dubs /b/ro

it's nice that you checkd'em before I got them

>>51
Wise men call me crazy.
Stupid and evil men call me a genius.