Veganism isn't healthy by default

Veganism promotes Diabetes, dental diseases and muscle wasting.
I'm not saying a proper, balanced vegan diet can't exist, but 99% of vegan either can't afford it or don't follow such a diet. In fact most vegans diet is incredibly unhealthy carb-fests(fruits and sweet vegetables, and "healthy" nuts/legumes with high carb content).

First carbs ruins teeth, carb-heavy diet will 100% cause caries and cavities even with daily flossing and brushing. The sugar in the salive itself will feed bacteria.

Second, carb heavy diet forces one to store carbs as fat, gaining weight and edging close to diabetes which is fueled by carbs.

Third, muscles need exercise and protein, most vegan consume either too little protein or slack off on exercise(causing weight gain with carbs) making their muscles weak and malnourished.

Fourth, carb-centric diet of most vegans lead to premature aging with Advanced Glycation End-Products(fried/baked sugary foods)."stiffer and more brittle cartilage"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1221264/

Fifth, carbs directly cause aging with their hormonal/genetic impact.
http://www.versiondaily.com/the-link-between-aging-and-carbohydrates/

If your vegan and you is still allowed to swallow cum.

>>2
Some vegans eat placentas, using the excuse that its from humans thus not exploited animals. Hypocritical bullshit.

https://raisevegan.com/vegans-consume-their-own-placenta/

Human milk and semen are vegan.
https://veganfaq.blogspot.com/2007/09/is-human-breast-milksemen-vegan.html

Also, following vegan logic consensual vampirism is perfectly vegan(i.e. blood drinking of human blood) as well as cannibalism(if the victim consents).

Hypothetically if an animal was sentient enough to consent and was 100% suicidal, would a vegan eat it or drink its milk/blood/semen?

>>5
Doubtful. Maybe if the vegan had suffered a traumatic brain injury and lost all connection to reality it would be possible......

Most fruits and vegetables are artificially bred to be as sweet as possible -> fructose overload -> diabetes -> obesity

>>7
Impossible. There is zero chance of """fructose overload" if you are eating whole fruit and vegetables, no matter how sweet they are bred to be. Diabetes, obesity, etc. are caused by refined sugars added to foods and drinks.

"""fructose overload"""*

>>8,9

i'm eating only the healthy carbs
not the bad refined ones
they're much different

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_load

I prefer to let yeast refine my saccharides.

Veganism promotes Diabetes, dental diseases and muscle wasting.

Except it doesn't, because vegans don't eat garbage processed ``food'' that ghouls gorge on.

I'm not saying a proper, balanced vegan diet can't exist, but 99% of vegan either can't afford it or don't follow such a diet.

You need some citations on that baseless claim.
Meanwhile vegans live longer and stay healthy longer. And those are the facts and not baseless claims.

not baseless claims

Says the guy who provides absolutely no evidence to back xir's statement.

>>13
What's next, needing to back up the claim that water is wet?
It's trivially googlable common knowledge.
Plus, the burden of proof lies on the ghoul making the moronic claims that:

vegans eat unhealthy amount of carbs
all carbs ruin teeth
carbs always cause carries
vegans eat more fried food than ghouls do

vegans eat unhealthy amount of carbs

* 99% of vegans have diets that force them to consume very high amount of carbs. As mentioned >>1 most vegan diets are as healthy as candy-based diets.

all carbs ruin teeth

Vegans eat lots of carbs, their saliva is filled with it, their gums and teeth are covered with carb layers. Do you expect bacteria to ignore the all-you-can-eat carb feast?

carbs always cause carries

They do, its bacteria food.

vegans eat more fried food than ghouls do

Vegans eat more sugary food in general, which when baked/fried forms advanced glycation end-products which cause aging of tissues.

>>14

people assuming i'm against vegans

vegan keto if you can afford it, along with supplements/multivitamins is currently the healthiest option.
Keto cures diabetes and reduces aging.

>>15
Holy shit all those sources and believable, common-sense knowledge! Not a single claim!

Veganism/vegetarianism is not incompatible with low-carb diets
https://www.reddit.com/r/vegetarianketo/
https://www.reddit.com/r/veganketo/

>>17
Its simple logic:
1.Most vegans(and vegetarians) eat lots of carbs. Like e.g. bread, potatoes, fruits.(most people also eat lots of carbs, but don't advertise it as type of healthy diet)
2.Bacteria that cause caries eat sugars and can feed on simple carbs easily.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_caries#Dietary_sugars
3. When you eat carb heavy diet you get caries.

Eat lots of Carbs ->
converted to glucose by body ->
excess carbs stored as fat->
diabetes -> obesity -> early death

>>19
All the bait and switch, holy shit
HIBT?

>>21
Explain the magic reasoning that allows you to eat carbs without getting caries.

carb heavy diet forces one to store carbs as fat

This only happens in four legged animals like pigs and cows. Humans typically do not convert carbs to fat (under normal circumstances). We have the machinery for it, but it doesn't get activated unless you cross a certain high threshold of carb intake, about 10k kcals per day.

People eat a ton of overall calories (carbs + fat), store the fat calories as body fat, and then blame the carbs for their weight gain. Low IQ.

Veganism promotes Diabetes

Then why do vegans have the least diabetes out of anyone?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21983060
Why do vegan diets prevent and even reverse type 2 diabetes?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28397639
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466941/

carb-centric diet of most vegans lead to premature aging with Advanced Glycation End-Products

You didn't bother to read the study you linked to. It just sounded like it supported your argument, but you didn't read it.

The study you linked tested collagen glycation from collagen from dead bodies. The only conclusion it made is that collagen gets glycated more with aging--nothing to do with diet at all. Actually since 98% of people eat meat, it's safe to assume all of the cadavers they used were eating meat when they were alive. So much for that.

Collagen glycation happens with high blood glucose and diabetes, which as is already established, is something that only happens to obese meat eaters, not vegans.

carbs directly cause aging

You know what is actually proven to cause aging?

Being fat from eating too much meat and fat
Having diabetes
Animal protein which is high in methionine https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18789600

unhealthy carb-fests(fruits and sweet vegetables

😭

>>10
Whoever you're quoting sounds sarcastic. But the simple fact remains, it is impossible to cause sugar-related issues like diabetes and obesity from sugars contained within whole fruits and vegetables. The only issue with sugars is when you extract and refine them before consuming. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and your shame at that fact is making you respond with sardonic quotes rather than arguments. It must suck to get BTFO'd this hard, I do apologize.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/monkeys-banned-from-eating-bananas-at-devon-zoo-9058856.html

Monkeys at a zoo in Devon have been banned from eating bananas – for the sake of their health.

Zookeepers said the fruit grown and exported for human consumption have far higher levels of sugar than the ones monkeys would eat in the wild – to the point that it’s bad for their teeth and can lead to diabetes.

Despite the obvious cliché, the animals are now only allowed to have bananas as a special treat or when they need medication. Nutritionists likened it to giving children cake and chocolate, but added that unlike children the deprived monkeys “can’t complain”.

Experts at Paignton Zoo, Devon, said the sugar-free diet was working wonders for the animals – even making them calmer and more sociable.

Senior head keeper of mammals Matthew Webb said: “We have noticed an improvement in the condition of primate coats - in particular the colour and thickness of the fur of the Sulawesi crested black macaques.

“Smaller monkeys such as tamarins and marmosets are highly-strung animals and live in tight-knit social groups which can be quite aggressive at times. Reducing the sugar in their diets has calmed them down and made their groups more settled.”

A female baby orangutan born at Paignton Zoo last year with her mother - the poor thing would now only get to eat bananas as a treat or if she is unwell

Amy Plowman, head of conservation and advocacy, said visitors might be surprised by the concept of getting in between monkeys and the food perceived to be their favourite.

“People usually try to improve their diet by eating more fruit - but fruit cultivated for humans is much higher in sugar and much lower in protein and fibre than most wild fruit because we like our fruit to be so sweet and juicy,” she said.

“Giving this fruit to animals is equivalent to giving them cake and chocolate.

“Compared to the food they would eat in the wild, bananas are much more energy-dense - they have lots of calories - and contain much more sugar that's bad for their teeth and can lead to diabetes and similar conditions.

“It can also cause gastrointestinal problems as their stomachs are mostly adapted to eating fibrous foods with very low digestibility.”

Dr Plowman said it had not been too hard to wean the monkeys off bananas and give them vegetables instead.

“We reduced the amounts slowly so they had a long period to get accustomed to their new diet,” she said.

“They didn't get a choice but - unlike children - they couldn't complain.

“The alternative is vegetables and lots of them, especially leafy green veg. We still use starchy root veg.

“But we have reduced amounts as it can still be quite high in sugar and other readily-digestible carbohydrate. Leafy green veg is great because it is high in protein, fibre and lots of vitamins and minerals.”

A specialist pellet feed gives them the correct balance of nutrients, while small amounts of cooked brown rice can be scattered around enclosures to encourage foraging.

The animals do still get the occasional banana if they are unwell and the keepers need to make sure they take medication.

Dr Plowman said: “Putting it in a piece of banana works really well, as it's such a treat now.”

>>25
Literal fake news. Wow.

Psst, the secret to vegans not absorbing as much sugar isn't because they follow some magic diet.
They eating foods with lots of antinutrient lectins which bind to carbs(and other nutrients) preventing their absorption.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectin

This thread is like disinformation central. Like if Alex Jones got a show on CNN or something. Just wow.

We need to organize something like /r/LateStageVeganism where all starved " vegan" pets/kids and malnourished/sick vegans will be showcased along with scientific evidence such as b12 deficiency and lack of k2. Also, incoming vegans will be debated and they will not be banned unlike the hypocritical vegan subs.

>>29
The soyboy admins will ban it under some esoteric excuse, citing a vegan website.
Better do it on voat.

>>30
Voat is for retards. If you love wasting your posts on low-traffic alternatives, why not post on /anarchy/ instead of /lounge/?

>>28
Alex Jones is based and redpilled, thats why they banned him from every mainstream site, soyfrogs.

Maybe having voat sub as repository mirroring all reddit posts?
After reddit starts censoring, just point people to voat.

>>32
Then why the fuck is he working for CNN?

>>34
Alex Jones working for CNN? maybe your brains Late Stage Fatty Acid deficiency acting up.

Educate yourself libtards
https://www.infowars.com/true-mission-of-cnn-exposed/

>>25
great idea, those frugivore moneys need to be eating a high fat paleo diet. they should be pounding down the bacon. eating fruits and carbohydrates isn’t natural for them. everyone knows high fat ketogenic diets are ideal for great apes. high cholesterol high calorie diets make you healthy. clearly KFC and McDonald’s are contributing to the great health of modern humans. don’t eat fruits and vegetables because they will make you fat.

>>37
Modern Fruits & Vegetables are high in sugar. Wild varieties are far less sweet, such as plantains that monkeys eat in the jungle.

>>34

Alex Jones ever working with fake news manufacturers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC-s192vbHM

https://www.theage.com.au/national/zoo-won-t-panda-to-taste-says-fruit-s-too-sweet-for-its-monkey-menu-20180928-p506lb.html
Zoo won't panda to taste, says fruit's too sweet for its monkey menu

The Age

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Zoo won't panda to taste, says fruit's too sweet for its monkey menu
By Liam Mannix
30 September 2018 — 12:05am

Selective breeding has made the fruit we eat so full of sugar, Melbourne Zoo has had to wean its animals off it.

Fruit is vital in human diets, and we all need to eat more. But at the zoo, keepers found fruit-heavy diets were making some animals obese – and rotting their teeth.

Yum yum yum.
Photo: Eddie Jim

"The issue is the cultivated fruits have been genetically modified to be much higher in sugar content than their natural, ancestral fruits,” says Dr Michael Lynch, the zoo’s head vet.

"It's interesting. After doing a lot with nutrition here, I tend to eat less fruit."

Monkeys love bananas. But now, says Dr Lynch, the zoo’s primates don’t get any fruit at all.
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For humans, eating fruit is associated with a reduced risk of coronary heart disease, stroke, obesity, gastric cancer and lung cancer, an evidence review commissioned by the federal government found.

Despite fruit’s sugar content, increasing your fruit intake does not increase your risk of type 2 diabetes. Fruits contain important nutrients, and fruit's natural sugars are very different from the harmful '"free sugars" in soft drinks.

But the zoo’s experience is interesting for what it tells us about how agriculture has changed the fruits we eat.

“Pretty much all cultivated varieties at present are sweeter than their wild counterparts,” says Dr Senaka Ranadheera, a food scientist at the University of Melbourne.

"For example, wild apples are smaller and more bitter than modern cultivated varieties."

Dr Ranadheera said there were reports of some fruits, such as plums, almost doubling in soluble sugar content in the past 20 years (fruit sugar levels are still nowhere near those in soft drinks or fruit juice).

Photo: Eddie Jim

And farmers have bred watermelons to have bright red fleshy interiors when ripe. Wild watermelons have a much smaller edible interior.

Wild bananas are filled with seeds; in the varieties we pick up from Coles or Woolies, the seeds have been shrunk so small they are almost invisible.

This has come about through decades – centuries, in some cases – of selective breeding.

“Throughout the ages, farming has favoured the plants that are pleasurable to eat such as the ones that have less of the bitterness and more of the sweetness,” says Dr Nenad Naumovski, who lectures in food science at the University of Canberra.

Head of veterinary services at the Melbourne Zoo, Dr Michael Lynch, at the red panda enclosure
Photo: Eddie Jim

"This also masks the bitterness of the phytochemicals that the particular fruit has."

Melbourne Zoo had traditionally fed its animals a fruit-heavy diet, says Dr Lynch.

That caused a range of health problems, but also made it hard for keepers to ensure everyone was getting a balanced diet.

"Fruit is a highly desired item because of its sugar content. So many animals, especially primates and red pandas, they will selectively eat the fruit but not other elements.”

Like children, red pandas would quite happily eat nothing but bamboo and fruit, Dr Lynch says, missing out on a range of important nutrients.

So the zoo now makes "panda pellets": all the vitamins and minerals a red panda needs, mixed in with a little bit of pear. The pandas find them delicious.

Since Dr Lynch started at the zoo, they’ve been systematically replacing most of the fruit with green leafy vegetables. Dr Lynch has done the same for his diet, and now tries to get as many leafy greens as possible.

The zoo’s seals have a different problem. If you freeze and then thaw a piece of fish, you can lose some of the fish’s vitamins. So keepers have to make sure plenty of fresh fish is available too.

"A seal in the wild is eating fresh fish. We're feeding them something that's been caught, frozen, thawed. Fresh is best for most things,” says Dr Lynch.

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sugar-addictive-cocaine-heroin-studies-suggest-article-1.356819
Health

Sugar as addictive as cocaine, heroin, studies suggest
By ROSEMARY BLACK
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER |
Dec 11, 2008

It's one addiction that won't land you in court or an inpatient rehab. But sugar - as anyone who mainlines sweets can attest - can be just as habit-forming as cocaine.

Researchers at Princeton University studying bingeing and dependency in rats have found that when the animals ingest large amounts of sugar, their brains undergo changes similar to the changes in the brains of people who abuse illegal drugs like cocaine and heroin.

"Our evidence from an animal model suggests that bingeing on sugar can act in the brain in ways very similar to drugs of abuse," says lead researcher and Princeton psychology professor Bart Hoebel.

In the studies, he explains, animals that drank large amounts of sugar water when hungry experienced behavioral changes, too, along with signs of withdrawal and even long-lasting effects that resemble cravings.

Some people experience powerful cravings for sweets - internal messages telling them to eat sugar even though they know it's bad for them - says Dr. Louis Aronne, director of the Comprehensive Weight Control Center at New York-Presbyterian Hospital/Weill Cornell Medical Center. "These people get strong urges to consume sweets, and these cravings border on addiction," he says. "When they eat sugar, just like when someone ingests cocaine, some people get that feeling of well-being, a rush that makes them feel good for a period of time. When the sweets are taken away, the people just don't feel right."

In the animals studied at Princeton, bingeing released a surge of the neurotransmitter dopamine in the brain. "It's been known that drugs of abuse release or increase the levels of dopamine in that part of the brain," Hoebel said.

After the rats' sugar supply was withdrawn, they became anxious. Their teeth chattered and they grew unwilling to venture into the open arm of their maze. Instead, they stayed in the tunnel of the maze.

Deprived of their sugar, the rats displayed signs of withdrawal similar to the symptoms seen in people when they stop smoking, drinking alcohol, or using drugs.

Just as not everyone has the tendency to become an alcoholic or a drug addict, so not everyone is hard wired to be a sugar-holic, Aronne says. And there is certainly effective treatment for a sweet addiction, though it's not likely to go down easily among those who like their candy and cookies.

"If people eat starch and sugar in the morning, it's very difficult to get their behavior in control and they'll be craving sweets all day," Aronne says. "So we have people start out their day by eating protein and vegetables in the morning."

Broccoli omelet for breakfast, anyone?

This is a list of foods sorted by carbs for 200 calories portion. What the lowest index food you eat?
https://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-000005000000000000000.html

Its a major blackpill to consider all sweet foods(such as fruits) are ruining your health, that many will rationalize it away as coping mechanism. Breaking the carb addiction is hard, its ingrained in culture and modern medicine that "you need to eat fruit" aka 'balanced diet with N fruit portions' - just remember 90% of fruits are essentially vitamin candy.
I also thought i'll be missing vital nutrients and vitamins, but i now see that most nutrients/vitamins can be obtained from low-carb alternatives and multivitamins/supplements.
Example: Tomatoes are rich in lycopene, but there other sources such as rosehip that contain far less carbs and supplements that contain none.

>>43
Yes, fruits, vegetables, and whole grains cause diabetes. Better pound down the bacon and butter because all the obese people in America got fat off of carbs in fruits. The average American is overweight because of all the fruits and lentils that he or she eats.

>>44

Yes, fruits, vegetables, and whole grains cause diabetes. Better pound down the bacon and butter because all the obese people in America got fat off of carbs in fruits.

Where do you think High Fructose Corn Syrup comes from? Corn.
Beet sugar? Beets.
Agave syrup? Agave.
Sugarcane juice? Sugarcane.
All processed food sugars and carbs have a source. So in effect "fruits, vegetables, and whole grains" do cause diabetes in average American, and your strawman quip now looks highly ironic.

>>45
You're begging the question. Corn syrup doesn't cause obesity; excess calories does. Sugars in general don't cause diabetes. That has been a debunked myth for decades now.
http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/

People get diabetes from being fat from eating too much. Fats and animal products are much more calorie dense than fruits, vegetables, and whole grains. Fats and animal products also get converted to body fat more easily than fruits, vegetables, and whole grains. That's why vegans have the lowest rates of diabetes and obesity of any group:

https://8zxa3etwpf-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/type2-diabetes-prevalence.png

>>46
Keto cures diabetes. "Diabetes.org" promotes it, as well as 99% of doctors, dieticians and other medicine charlatans.

>>47
if those people promote it then I don't believe it

Think for yourself, if they cured diabetes all the websites, drugs and diabetes industry would evaporate overnight. They are interested in maintaining diabetes for as long as you're capable of living with it. Edited on 01/10/2018 07:38.

Think for yourself, if they cured diabetes all the websites, drugs and diabetes industry would evaporate overnight. They are interesting as maintaining diabetes for as long as you're capable of living with it.
Think for yourself, if they cured diabetes all the websites, drugs and diabetes industry would evaporate overnight. They are interested in maintaining diabetes for as long as you're capable of living with it.

Lets see soyboys compare this pig feed made for fattening pigs rapidly to their own chew.
http://www.panvita.si/en/trademarks/animal-feed/pig-feed-program/complete-feed-mixtures/pigs-for-fattening-intensive-breeding/

http://blog.babyboomersandbellies.com/?p=118
SNSWLHD directive that “Nutritional advice to clients must not include a low carbohydrate diet”

Diabetes goes into remission without sugar.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/sep/28/town-gave-up-sugar-diabetes-obesity