NPCs are egregore-controlled humans, they still have an independent mind but their mind is enslaved and used as a tool for expressing the egregore mind, like a two-way radio channel. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egregore Its possible to disrupt the link to egregore by subversive thought insertion(aka memes), allowing the original mind to assert its will and independent thought. The egregore can't focus on multiple mental challenges simultaneously and the "radio channel" has limited capacity. NPCs can be reformed to PCs.
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Anonymous2018-10-14 9:51
The most effective memes are the ones that force them to consider they're NPCs, even for a single moment. Its obviously working now with free media exposure and common understanding of videogame slang.
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Anonymous2018-10-14 10:01
Weaknesses of NPCs: 1.Lack of abstract thought, understanding of hypothetical/future scenarios. 2.Lack of creativity and imagination, emulation and repetition of received content. 3.Lack of original thought, deference to authority and media. Memes need to exercise these qualities to the breaking point, forcing to use their actual minds.
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Anonymous2018-10-14 10:44
>>3 4.NPCs think in black/white absolutes, without the idea of compromise or middle-ground. So if you're for X, you're against Y and vice versa. Memes that exploit the subtlety of middle-ground and third option will be very effective.
no it doesn't, the channel is social media, and people are being given terrible ideas through their smartphones, with fake news about identity politics that conditions people into thinking a certain way
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Anonymous2018-10-15 3:25
>>5 The 'radio channel' is egregore mind control channel. Social media is a field of content not a single-entity. Its like claiming all animation is a single-channel of specific entity.
The NPC meme is a psyop by Jews and Satanists/Masons to get you in their mindset of seeing others as disposable profane. Also the inner voice horseshit is a lie to convince you demons are your "inner voice".
Ask yourself this.
If you're not an NPC you're a player character.....
But Who's playing you?
The NPC meme is designed deliberately so you don't ask yourself this.
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Anonymous2018-10-15 3:38
>>7 you're overthinking it, a meme is just a meme the NPC meme is rooted in ego and also solipsism, to some degree
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Anonymous2018-10-15 3:56
>>8 My diddle is rooted in your butthole, to some degree.
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Anonymous2018-10-15 4:04
People here are only talking about NPC here now because it got banned from Twitter. Last week y'all were all talking about Alex Jones for the same reason. It's like Twitter has 100% full power over your thoughts and emotions, whomever or whatever they ban takes your attention. I bet when trump gets banned you'll all be screaming "le maga" and all that too. Fucking lemmings.....
The NPC meme is a psyop by Jews and Satanists/Masons to get you in their mindset of seeing others as disposable profane. Also the inner voice horseshit is a lie to convince you demons are your "inner voice".
NPC:All PCs are controlled by their inner speech, PCs just execute every verbal command they hear in their mind. It can't be otherwise.
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Anonymous2018-10-15 5:42
I just realized NPCs must think of PC with inner speech as schizos with "voices in their head". i.e. they believe a PC will not resist a voice command in their mind or that all thoughts/speech are commands to be executed.
Literally everyone has an inner monologue. This NPC meme is trash to make dumb 4chan kids think they're special.
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Anonymous2018-10-15 5:45
“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” Aristotle is surprisingly relevant here, replaced educated with non-NPC
my face after npc emmes \ ᠌ ᠌ / • ᠌ ᠌ • ᠌ ⎳ ᠌᠌ ᠌ ▬
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Anonymous2018-10-15 9:58
The irony of the NPC meme is that it is most often spouted by brainless repeaters of political non-thought. 4chan /pol/ is the most NPC board of all chans.
>>23 That's literally what an NPC suffering from butthurt would post. I didn't beleive in the NPC meme until just now, holy shit.
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Anonymous2018-10-15 10:16
>>23 If NPCs were capable of introspection they wouldn't spread it. But since NPCs think in black/white terms NPC/PC division cleanly falls into us/others system that allows NPCs to easily label their enemies as NPCs and proclaim themselves as PCs. A hidden benefit is that semi-conscious NPCs are forced to think before posting their hivemind drivel, lest they be critiqued as "another mindless NPC". NPC is therefore the most useful meme that currently exists, and its censorship proves how fragile the NPCs minds are. A NPC that has the shadow of "being exposed as NPC" looming over him, develops a reflex to not shitpost random NPC reactions - raising the quality of overall discussion.
A NPC that has the shadow of "being exposed as NPC" looming over him, develops a reflex to not shitpost random NPC reactions - raising the quality of overall discussion.
And yet >>24 exists. Something is missing from your hypothesis.
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Anonymous2018-10-15 10:48
>>26 That requires doubt on being a NPC(semi-conscious NPC). NPCs are not a monolithic species, they are capable of escaping their status. A->B reactions stop when NPC realizes how automatic and thoughtless they look.
NPCs are not a monolithic species, they are capable of escaping their status.
I'll need an example of this happening. And happening because of NPC memes, not because of coordinated effort of PCs to give a character agency. So far we have a good counterexample, showing that pointing out someone's automatic script leads to worldview preserving denial and claims of butthurt.
NPC memes literally make NPCs' programming malfunction. I've never seen anything like it, the butthurt and confusion is off the charts.
Okay, this has some truth. I remember when I was younger, I told my friend about an idea that maybe everyone besides me was an illusion (middle school solipsism), and he got extremely mad. More mad than you would predict. Not like, "Hey you're a fucking retard," but angry like he caught me fucking his mother. For some reason this exchange still lingers in my memory. I don't get it--if you have consciousness, then someone telling you that you're an NPC shouldn't bother you because it'd be as false as some idiot saying, "The sky is green."
Spooky.
That said I'm against the NPC meme because it's dehumanizing and unethical. Every genocide in history was precipitated by memes that dehumanized its targets. This is just the modern version of that.
>>30 You understand that there is nothing wrong with genocide and you only fear it due to your programing right? It's a bit rich for you to be pontificating as though you are capable of introspection while still being totally controlled by your programing.
>>31 Genocide is wrong because it artificially interferes with natural selection. You don't get to decide who lives or dies, the environment does. Putting you in charge of choosing future humans will lead to a weak species of amorphous blobs ill suited to thrive anywhere but basements in Finland. The law of the jungle predates cultural programming.
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Anonymous2018-10-15 11:20
>>33 You forgot to say why is it wrong, you only said why it makes you mad.
I'll need an example of this happening. And happening because of NPC memes, not because of coordinated effort of PCs to give a character agency.
Unfortunately, its not something i can produce on a whim, this is comparable to feral children being domesticated and encultured. However, lets argue from the reductio ad absurdum: lets imagine NPCs are irredeemable, soulless automatons like the common concept of instinctual animal. Do you agree that animals can be trained? NPCs can be controlled in the same way, except on a more subtle level where such training is mental modeling. Behaviors, habits, reactionary responses can be changed in animals. Dr Pavlov experiments on conditioning dogs for example. The goal is to develop the mental models of NPCs to include doubt, introspection and self-reflection. Memes exposing the reactionary nature of NPCs are forcing changes in culture overall where NPCs are pushed towards the uncomfortable philosophical realizations and discussion when NPCs are ridiculed are forcing self-reflection. Not all NPCs will be reformed of course, i don't guarantee it,i just propose its possible to reform them and change their thinking. Your question is it "possible to improve their level of thinking" is not at all crucial, the key is slowly changing narratives of NPC-dominated culture to acknowledges its own nature.
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Anonymous2018-10-15 11:36
>>35 I didn't say it's impossible, just not feasible without explicit training, as opposed to just calling him a NPC. Vast, vast majority of cases where NPC meme is invoked can be summed up as:
you are a NPC because you disagree with my fringe political views built on grandiose claims from insincere ideologues who have strong ties to known fossil fuel lobbyists
It's like trying to wake someone up by turning OFF the lamp next to his bed.
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Anonymous2018-10-15 11:49
>>36 Calling him a NPC is a first step. its changing the concept of "being a NPC" to a legitimate part inside the Overton window. Now that we got the foot in the door, the second step is to expose NPC thought patterns and move the NPC idea to the forefront - forcing to NPC to deny its NPCness and fight on another level where the idea of NPC is acknowledged by both side. The NPCs spreading the meme is helping regardless of how they apply it, its forcing the public hiveminds to incorporate "NPC" into media narratives, news segments, etc. The familiarity with videogame slang and simple non-political nature of the phrase make it neutral and subversively potent. NPC is simultaneously most dehumanizing and most neutral thing you can say to a NPC: Its maddening to be coldly and scientifically evaluated as a biological bot and the more NPC engages in the discussion to prove his non-NPCness the more chances he will be trapped in their own web of contradictions,ontological paradoxes/causal loops and circular thinking.
Its maddening to be coldly and scientifically evaluated as a biological bot
That's not how the NPC meme is actually used. In vast majority of cases, it is used automatically, without thought, with the implication that if you disagree with one script, you are following another one. For as long as it is used primarily politically, by the least thoughtful group of internet ideologues, it will not wake up many people.
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Anonymous2018-10-15 12:18
That's not how the NPC meme is actually used.
It doesn't matter how its used, its the reaction of NPCs and narrative shift that matters.
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Anonymous2018-10-15 12:25
>>38 There is no monopoly on using this meme. The beauty of "NPC" as a concept its could be applied to any political group-think, as political groups are stuffed by NPCs to the brim. The meme is like exposing the "standard uniform" of specific subculture, without being specific. The reaction of NPCs is emotional, instinctual, reactionary and immediate.
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Anonymous2018-10-15 12:26
>>39 Narrative shift into thoughtless claims of thoughtlessness of people who disagree with you, without an attempt to actually educate them or defend own views in any way. It's not much better than just claiming those who disagree with you are evil and want to destroy amurica.
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Anonymous2018-10-15 12:29
>>41 That not the narrative shift i talk about. The narrative shifts to the idea that society is filled with NPCs and counter-claims that X's are not NPCs and Y's are NPCs. Its self-reinforcing as NPCs start labeling and promoting "NPC" as a general category.
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Anonymous2018-10-15 12:37
Once the culture has absorbed the NPC concept fully, its ripe for mass self-realization and reform. The NPC meme is serving as a fuse to the powderbox of public's mind. >>41 Educating NPCs is not possible without breaking their conditioning.
>>34 Hurrr “there’s no such thing as ethics everything is just a social construct bro you were programmed to believe it by (((them))). you should believe my axioms instead or else your’are a sheeple.”
You can use this rhetoric to promote literally any position. There’s no innvovation here upon the postmodernist (?) Marxist deconstruction philosophy. You’re just applying it to your own beliefs instead.
>>44 Are you the same person he was responding to? Because, if so, you didn't bring up ethics to justify fearing genocide you brought up "natural selection" even though it is obvious genocide is a part of natural selection. Humanity is a product of extreme brutality and competition just like everything in nature, that's what natural selection is. You can't have it both ways, either "ethics" are meaningful and not a "social construct" or natural selection is important.
But it's ridiculous because ethics are merely a survival strategy and not universal in any way. You were programmed to believe in your ethics due to your tribe selecting for that trait, and also selecting for "reasoned discussion" being a way to deescalate direct violence. Many other tribes have been programmed in a different way, the mark of the PC is the ability to reject programming -- in your case this would involve embracing genocide.
Because, if so, you didn't bring up ethics to justify fearing genocide you brought up "natural selection" even though it is obvious genocide is a part of natural selection.
Genocide and eugenics is artificial selection by definition. It is using human creativity to alter the natural course of evolution. Genocide is not the same thing as, say, a superior lion subspecies out-competing an inferior lion subspecies to extinction. In nature, such a scenario could only be sustainable when the victor is actually better adapted to its environment. Adaptation to one's environment is also a prerequisite for our existence. So here I claim that adaptation to one's environment in itself is a prime facie important objective for humanity. It being a prerequisite for human existence serves as a justification for the use of natural selection as a source of axioms (that is independent of culture).
Artificial selection by humans can happen regardless of adaptation to environment. This is what makes it bad. Pakistanis could nuke Africa tomorrow, but that wouldn't make Pakistanis better adapted to the African environment. So because genocide is a disturbance of the natural order (the only source of axioms guaranteed to be independent of cultural programming), genocide can be considered wrong in the absence of cultural programming or social constructs.
You can't have it both ways, either "ethics" are meaningful and not a "social construct" or natural selection is important.
False dichotomy. Ethics builds upon and patches our biological base. It is a social construct, but so is everything that humans do with their brains. Correctly identifying something as a social construct isn't the same thing as providing a reason for it being bad.
Many other tribes have been programmed in a different way, the mark of the PC is the ability to reject programming -- in your case this would involve shitting in public.
This PC gnosis seems to boil down to realizing that you don't actually have to follow "The Rules." Good for you, I guess, but it seems really insincere when all you're trying to do is promote your own political agenda to replace Those Rules.
the mark of the PC is the ability to reject programming -- in your case this would involve embracing genocide you were programmed not to eat shit, you must be a NPC unless you eat shit
genocide and eating shit are the same and should be thought about in the same way
Am I quoting you correctly dude?! Edited on 16/10/2018 11:46.
>>47
>genocide and eating shit are the same and should be thought about in the same way
genocide and eating shit are the same and should be thought about in the same way↵
Am I quoting you correctly dude?!
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Anonymous2018-10-16 11:45
NPC:The ability to reject programming requires doing the exact opposite of the programming. There are only two options.
Solipsism came back, baby, and it still sucks ass!
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Anonymous2018-10-16 21:37
>>53 I don't think it's solipsism, but definitely a heavy distrust of the world and its mechanics to a similar unbearable level.
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Anonymous2018-10-16 21:38
Also, check these fucking dubs you fucking bastards
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Anonymous2018-10-17 1:35
NPC: Look at my post number. Its very unique and special like myself.
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Anonymous2018-10-17 2:16
>>53 NPC: the NPC meme is JUST LIKE Solipsism and since I have categorized it as such I do not need to think about its implications at all
Wow, it's like NPCs can't even see grey areas. I mean, look in a mirror you fucking NPC retards.
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Anonymous2018-10-17 4:29
>>57 Keep spamming the latest 4ch*n meme (yet another Wojak recolor at that) and thinking you're special, buddy.
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Anonymous2018-10-17 5:46
>>57 Don't worry, the NPCs who don't see the threat are vastly outnumbered by triggered NPCs who scream "dehumanization, stop oppressing us". Its spreading to MSM programming as we speak.
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Anonymous2018-10-17 9:07
>>58 NPC is more of a twitter thing. All the meme spouters spewing "NPC" everywhere here definitely got it from Twitter not 4Chan at least. It just goes to show.....
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Anonymous2018-10-17 9:14
Realistically NPC is a super-masculine meme, like Red Pill or soyboy, only high-t lads with status should use it lest it blow up in your face.
Anybody here who wants to use masculine memes better be prepared to get challenged to fight IRL and actually front up. You want to meme with alphas you best be ready to put something real behind the memes.
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Anonymous2018-10-17 10:18
>>61 Its actually the cultural evolution of "brainlet" meme used to ridicule the dumb, except now its cutting to the core, asking "Do you even think?". Its moderately effective on PCs too, since many have ingrained social programming and cultural osmosis. Below the surface of their belief system are tons of "NPC" reactive-thinking patterns. PCs don't live in isolation from NPC-culture.
>>59 Stop consuming NPC-only media, specifically /pol/tard propaganda. Outside your meme circles, nobody cares. In b4 cherrypicked examples of twitter nobodies """proving""" that the NPC meme is next hitler and that people with IQ above 99 actually care.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology) Bicameralism (the condition of being divided into "two-chambers") is a radical hypothesis in psychology that argues that the human mind once operated in a state in which cognitive functions were divided between one part of the brain which appears to be "speaking", and a second part which listens and obeys — a bicameral mind. The term was coined by Julian Jaynes, who presented the idea in his 1976 book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind,[1] wherein he made the case that a bicameral mentality was the normal and ubiquitous state of the human mind as recently as 3,000 years ago, near the end of the Mediterranean bronze age.
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Anonymous2018-10-17 13:15
>>68 Someone (probably you) linked this earlier. This is actually anti-PC when you connect the dots:
NPCs are characterized by lack of internal monologues bicameralism involves one brain "talking" to the other one thus bicameralist characters are PCs where one half of the brain houses the controller (the "soul") and the other handles the body
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Anonymous2018-10-17 13:54
>>69 Thats doesn't make sense, let me describe my experience. When i talk in my mind, mentally discussing and speculating, i don't send commands. I don't "see" the mental voice of thoughts as "my decision"(voices don't decide), that is several steps later - the voice is used to depict my thoughts and to recall information to the forefront of my mind. The voice is like a neutral narrator trying to depict thoughts loaded from memory or constructed by the central processor.
1.It looks like a mental chatroom, not a command&control mechanism. 2.pre-thoughts are filtered before vocalizations. I cannot vocalize them even if i wanted, only few("leads") of these get focused on on. 4.The candidate("leads") thoughts are vocalized, described and depicted in the mind. They are judged and values are applied to get a complete mental picture - visual/aural memory is referenced. 5.Mental dialogue(or monologue?) begins, i argue against/for decisions, adding more of thoughts from steps #2,3,4. There is always doubt and i have to reference memory to support arguments.
6.Decision is made. Its not final, as i try to refute it or make sure i'm not doing a mistake(then i revert back to arguing mentally to step #5)
7.Next round of mental chatter. Interestingly when i chant specific mantras i could slip into "thought-less" mode, where i can observe lower-level reactive pre-thoughts which are normally filtered. In meditation, i can't filter it(like the NPC), but its unlikely its a NPC state, as i still control the mind(Accepting the thoughts as my own, but not acting on them and believing in them as my own) and can direct its attention(e.g. ignoring or ridiculing each and every thought i don't like). Thoughts are mere tools, not expressions or commands to be executed blind. Are NPCs uncapable of ignoring/resisting or filtering thoughts? Like a chatroom without moderation, without filters, without control?
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Anonymous2018-10-17 14:02
>>70 That's irrelevant, what is relevant is that bicameralism asserts internal vocalization to self. The whole concept of NPCs was spawned as a reaction to an article saying that many people do not have any internal monologues at all.
bicameralism asserts internal vocalization to self.
It also asserts that bi-cameral minds can't have introspection and meta-reflection while non-bicamerals have them, but lack the internal vocalization. If you accept bicameralism, either: A.I don't have introspection and meta-reflection.(Something must be providing an alternative in that case and IT must have root-level access to my mind.(some deeper meditation states are described as noticing the "watcher" of thoughts as separate part of consciousness, so its plausible but requires access to that state))
B.I have introspection and meta-reflection, but lack an internal monologue.(In that case i must be imagining or mentally constructing an internal monologue(I can think non-verbally too, its not out of impossibility to construct a monologue while background thinking is non-verbal: its however readily noticeable when a different mental process is developing in parallel(imagine reading and talking simultaneously))).
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Anonymous2018-10-17 16:57
I actually have multiple mental streams going on.
1.The default mindstream/stream of consciousness: this is not controlled by me, but sends tons of "information updates" and "pre-thoughts". Its always there, in meditation, mantra-chanting, etc can't be shut off or controlled, only ignored with explicit conscious effort(deep meditation). Its probably the most creative part of my mind, but has lots of trash that has to be filtered or worked up with "Advisor stream". Its probably best described as "awareness beacon" that is pushing pre-thoughts into the limelight. Focusing it on something generates thoughts about it.
2.The "voice(s)"("the Chatroom"), its like controlled voice actor(s) that depict my thoughts in verbal form. Most complex thing to describe its that is not a distinct "entity/mind/part" but more like a capability channel that can be used to do something - its very unlike the default mindstream(which lacks intention) the "voice" is filled with intentions and arguments, but lacks its own will. Like a mirror that shows you what you throw at it(actually a distorted mirror, it changes thoughts to a form suitable for vocalization and struggles with complex/rare concepts. Its not a "direct monologue of thought" its a converter system, actor hired to depict the thought.) I can direct it to do whatever i want from singing a song mentally to describing the current mental condition as a chatroom with distinct personalities arguing. Its very malleable and can be shut off or changed, its even possible to having it depict imaginary conversations with other people or waifus(though it sounds kinda forced). It can work in parallel with other streams, for example when i write this it chants mantras i repeat(the mantras are repeated by background voice at same time when i think stuff with "Advisor stream", but if i concentrate on either of them i either stop chanting mentally or stop thinking mentally: there is distinct "priority queue" that forces one stream to foreground). I prefer to keep it occupied with mantras, which keeps the other streams contained in their own zones(A quad-cameral mind?) and not interfering with thoughts unless i allow it: if i don't give the voice any job(e.g. mantras or daydreaming), other parts of the mind starts controlling it more.
3.The advisor("Logic center"). Its like intuition "voicing" various "advices". It can direct the "voice" to say things, but doesn't have much control and is mostly non-verbal until i start analyzing the advice. Its voice is distinctly neutral and mostly lacks emotion. It feels like a "expert system"(autistic AI) that remembers everything. I can easily ignore the advisor, but its always suggests valuable solutions and gives hints/inspiration to think about(inspiration in terms of motivational facts/data, not emotional at all) - its most rational part of the mind and directs all my logic/planning. For example, when i have nothing in mind, its most active: it reminds me that i have tasks, that i forgot something, how to rationalize X, that i need to do Y. Its also my conscience and ethical guide, despite lacking in emotional department(it just categorizes emotions). Its not fast at "thinking" though, its just extremely adept at using my memory and some other sources i presume are intuitational receptions of background states and stuff from the default mindstream. The Mindstream->Advisor is most productive mode I've experienced, but without Voice its feels like i'm following a script(NPC-like, except i'm perfectly aware of what i'm doing. Its experienced like the "in the Zone" feeling and makes the Advisor faster(when its default speed is like x10 slower).).
4.The monkey("The Impulse Center"). Its emotional-reactive thought generator, centered on biological impulses/reactions. It doesn't have a distinct "voice"(its very chaotic and uses mostly pre-thoughts, it controls the "voice" when nothing else is occupying), it pushes feelings, pre-thoughts and quickly adds emotional quips to mental dialogue(like e.g. you think about X, the monkey reminds you that X is associated with specific emotion and urges you to react with it). Outside of emotions, its fascinated with memes, humor and various mental sports(like trolling). When its active most is when i play videogames or something that requires quick reflexes. The monkey is really good at "muscle memory" stuff and quickly responding to threats. It can be ignored, but you lose the reflexive judgement and reaction speed. Filtering the monkey is harder under stress and time constraints. Its also fairly boring to not have emotional feedback from the monkey. Monkey and advisor use different systems of thought: Monkey is all about speed-thinking and doesn't fixate on one thing, Advisor always fixates on something and is slowly adding cold evaluation data.
Unironically read up on schizoid. Even wiki article is good enough. If you don't have autism, you have something out of the schizo spectrum. And I don't mean it in the sense that
/pol/tards are deluded schizos who believe that human decency is a conspiracy against nazi retards
but rather
expending significant effort on thinking about own thinking is a classic symptom of schizoid
expending significant effort on thinking about own thinking is a classic symptom of schizoid
Without meta-reflection/self-reflection/introspection i would feel handicapped. Its impossible not to do thinking about my own mind or quality of my thoughts. Its basic sentience stuff for me and I won't want to live be without it. The idea "i expend all my mental effort" at meta-conscious activities is absurd, it just a mode of thought like e.g. analysis or contemplation, that can be interspersed with other mental activities. NPCs can think whatever way they like - "normal thinking" seems very limited. If the normal NPC behavior is the standard, the medical industry will try to fix the "PCs" into NPC vegetables and diagnose imaginary "Non-NPC Thinking Syndromes".
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Anonymous2018-10-17 19:06
I'm starting to believe not masquerading as NPC might be a future liability. Logic and facts would be considered racist/sexist/nazi dehumanization tools or insane "conspiracy stuff", that would trigger immediate bans and instant social pariah status. This meme might exposes really ugly NPC beliefs to the surface and they will use the majority (the vast majority of humankind is likely NPCs, with small minority being semi-conscious) status to make these emotion-centric beliefs stick around as explicit social norms and laws. I don't believe that NPCs are low-IQ or less skilled/gifted/etc, just they're not fully capable of all forms of thinking and are easily controlled. Maybe staying in the shadows and manipulating the NPCs is the actual correct choice? Educating NPCs doesn't seem like a productive affair: Its either too traumatizing or NPCs laugh you off as <insert reaction label>. NPCs perceive this meme as some sort of insult instead of self-reflecting on their mind being controlled.
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Anonymous2018-10-17 19:17
>>75 Nigga don't meme at me, just read up on that schizoid and understand yourself.
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Anonymous2018-10-17 22:22
muh schizoid master race
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Anonymous2018-10-18 0:06
From /x/ misunderstanding a pop psych article to /v/ spamming Wojak recolors everywhere to /pol/ insulting everyone they disagree with. Each stage of this meme has been more ironic than the previous one.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 5:36
>>79 The last stage is actually The_Donald raiding twitter with NPC avatars, causing the twitter ban and media reaction: that created a Streisand effect and T_D redditors doubled down, sensing they stumbled on something really effective to rile up the left. The meme is currently in growth stage, the last few days its just getting started with media publicity.
>>80 Sounds like something a mass of automatons would do.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 6:46
>>82 Just like every meme, it requires meme replicators willing to spread/modify/adapt the meme. The more versatile/adaptable memes assimilate others and compete for public's attention better, creating a sort of natural memetic selection(Dawkins book on memes is about it) for better memes.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 7:50
However unlike every meme, it explicitly makes fun of meme-mentality/hivemind thinking, mocking the concept of the memes and their spreaders. Its the first successful anti-meme.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 9:26
The core idea might not be in the inner monologue absence, i suspect NPCs just can't attribute thoughts to their source: When a NPC gets a thought, the NPC assumes that the thought is being created by his own will and not from a process in the mind or from external influences. The enables programming to bypass "attribution check" that judges information sources - as the NPC believes all thoughts are coming from its own I-mind. Inner monologue however helps to put the distinction from conscious thoughts(coming from willful contemplation on a topic) and generated thoughts(coming from memory, external influences/senses, background processes). Without the inner monologue every thought is read with the same non-verbal mental recall circuit that lacks "color" of thought: voices add "color"/"temperament" which helps to distinguish between sources of thoughts.
Here is catch: Inner monologue doesn't guarantee that the person can distinguish the source of voices/thoughts, he can be assuming each voice is the same channel with different topic. Its a skill that has to be learned or developed. Discriminating mind can "entertain a thought without accepting it." because it knows that the thought isn't coming from its will.
it really doesn't, it's just another stinky ass meme children on the internet are spamming
>>85 that article was bad and your misreading of it is even worse why can't boards like /sci/ be more popular, it's always /v/tards or /pol/tards ruining everything
>>84 Absolutely wrong, are you seriously that blind to how the NPC has developed on social media garbage or just another /pol/tard dabbing on the SJWs Reddit style? The closest thing to an "anti-meme" would be /s4s/, anyway.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 9:41
Also, the label NPC is the most apt description of the phenomena: 1.Its neutral and non-political(except the implied "dehumanization") 2.Its readily understood due gaming being popular 3.It hints at true nature of humans 4.It doesn't introduce any complex ideas The only flaw here is black/white division of NPC/PC, since its likely a spectrum similar to Autism and to less extent Dyslexia. "High-functioning NPCs" may live through sub-conscious programming without expending much mental effort, like some meditators turning off "discriminating mind" to reach unfiltered "pure consciousness". There might be even a psychological benefit to stay in that state - it will lower chances of self-reflective self-digging/self-pity/etc. The NPC autopilot-thinking will also protect it from handling existential issues, meta-reflection/introspection are essentially a form of self-criticism and hit the ego assumptions/values very hard.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 9:54
In the coming months, the semi-conscious NPCs will absorb the meme and will start asking themselves questions: Am i a NPC? How does my mind actually works? What is the source of my thoughts? What directs my thinking? The psychological realization will be traumatic, i believe it may even cause suicides and extreme escapism(drugs/VR). The meme is like opening the pandora box of psychological horror for many of them, an alien view that forces them to break their "lifescript" and question the most basic assumption that their mind is actually theirs. The common scientific views about the mind and human psychology are studies done on NPCs. There isn't anything to help them, only put them on anti-psychotics that damage their brains enough to ignore the questions.
Or in more common terms this is a "nuclear blackpill" - a weaponized meme that kills its hosts. Even if its creators didn't intend it, its too late now.
1.Its neutral and non-political(except the implied "dehumanization")
Except for that part where it is primarily used by a group of NPCs who want to dehumanize group of people they dislike for disagreeing with them. Your personal definitions do not matter, if the word is used primarily in one specific way, the "derived meaning" is much more important than what you think it means.
The psychological realization will be traumatic, i believe it may even cause suicides and extreme escapism(drugs/VR).
Are you suicidal right now, just because of the NPC meme? Because if you aren't, then you certainly do not understand human psychology and are basing your ideas out of wild extrapolations from faulty data.
>>94 And PCs can re-program them back. Unless the programming mechanisms are destroyed, the NPCs will remain NPCs. We need a "Snow Crash"-like meme.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 13:01
Juanita's research showed that the ancient Sumerian ur-language allowed brain function to be 'programmed' using audio stimuli in conjunction with a DNA altering virus. Sumerian culture was organized around these programs (known as me) which were administered by priests to the populace. Enki, a figure of legend, developed a counter-virus (known as the nam-shub of Enki) which when delivered stopped the Sumerian language from being processed by the brain and led to the development of other, less literal languages, giving birth to the Babel myth. L. Bob Rife had been collecting Sumerian artifacts and developed the drug Snow Crash in order to make the public vulnerable to new forms of me which he would control.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 13:08
Breakdown of bicameralism
Jaynes theorized that a shift from bicameralism marked the beginning of introspection and consciousness as we know it today. According to Jaynes, this bicameral mentality began malfunctioning or "breaking down" during the 2nd millennium BCE. He speculates that primitive ancient societies tended to collapse periodically: for example, Egypt's Intermediate Periods, as well as the periodically vanishing cities of the Mayas, as changes in the environment strained the socio-cultural equilibria sustained by this bicameral mindset.
The Bronze age collapse of the 2nd millennium BCE led to mass migrations and created a rash of unexpected situations and stresses which required ancient minds to become more flexible and creative. Self-awareness, or consciousness, was the culturally evolved solution to this problem. This necessity of communicating commonly observed phenomena among individuals who shared no common language or cultural upbringing encouraged those communities to become self-aware to survive in a new environment. Thus consciousness, like bicamerality, emerged as a neurological adaptation to social complexity in a changing world.[citation needed]
Jaynes further argues that divination, prayer, and oracles arose during this breakdown period, in an attempt to summon instructions from the "gods" whose voices could no longer be heard.[3] The consultation of special bicamerally operative individuals, or of divination by casting lots and so forth, was a response to this loss, a transitional era depicted, for example, in the book of 1 Samuel. It was also evidenced in children who could communicate with the gods, but as their neurology was set by language and society they gradually lost that ability. Those who continued prophesying, being bicameral according to Jaynes, could be killed.[6][7] Leftovers of the bicameral mind today, according to Jaynes, include religion, hypnosis, possession, schizophrenia, and the general sense of need for external authority in decision-making.[citation needed]
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Anonymous2018-10-18 16:15
if you don't have a schizoid universe playing in your head, then you're inferior to me. my schizoid internal fantasy world gives me a soul. no, I'm not schizoid because of prolonged isolation and genetic predispositions--I'm schizoid because I'm one of the select few who have a soul unlike these disgusting NormiePCs.
1488 white pride world wide
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Anonymous2018-10-18 16:25
Schizoid personality """""disorder""""" is essence of whiteness.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 16:42
>>97 All of the ingredients are here. 1.Worldwide stress = NPC memes triggering NPCs 2.Unfamiliar new information = Introspection, meta-reflection, self-awareness being actual things and not abstract categories 3.Lack of cognitive capacity = NPCs thought patterns exposed 4.Need to adapt = Mocking the NPCs forces them to think more and improvise to avoid to be seen as NPCs.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 18:04
The NPC sentiment is that "NPCs are programmed by the mainstream media", as if the media is able to send commands into their brain. That would mean some sort of deliberate hypnotic suggestion and requires constructing the media programs around hypnosis - something that would readily apparent in analysis.
A more plausible explanation is brain damage from an environmental factor: xenoestrogens,microplastics, stress and microwave radiation(cellphones/wifi) impairing specific cognitive circuits(lesions, cell death) so they can't discriminate own thoughts from processing of incoming/absorbed information. That means any media will program NPCs: any text,video,book, etc will act as hypnotic suggestions. This also explains why not all urbanites are NPCs, brain damage is going to be random and some circuits are more important for cognition, others are able to adapt with neuroplasticity replacing lost circuits. Also it explains why NPCs are localized to our current time period.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 18:06
>>101 Entirety of this post is wrong, especially the very last sentence.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 18:17
>>102 Where is the error? 1.Cognition depends on the brain. 2.Impaired cognition means the brain is malfunctioning. 3.Modern urban life presents numerous hazards for brain health from microwaves to junk food. 4.If specific brain circuits responsible for discriminating thoughts malfunction, the person might think incoming information is their own thoughts and beliefs. 5.If a person believes everything mindlessly he is essentially a NPC programmed by background information.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 18:29
>>103 Let's see: Massively overrating the effects of all environmental factors that very weakly affect the brain. Massively overrating the effects of any media on people who aren't you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_effect Ignorance of the fact that unreflective conformism was much, much more powerful in times where religion mattered than in even the most """SJW""" university in modern times.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 18:44
Massively overrating the effects of all environmental factors that very weakly affect the brain.
With damaged brains having no ability of discriminating thought, the effect of media is amplified. So its even underrated.
Ignorance of the fact that unreflective conformism was much, much more powerful in times where religion mattered than in even the most """SJW""" university in modern times.
Past "conformists" were afraid of very real punishment for heresy/treason/sacrilege/etc ,challenging the status quo might mean you end up on stake. It would make sense to not disturb the social order if it meant your survival and prosperity.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 18:46
Neocons and neolibs calling each other NPCs is the funniest thing ever.
NPC:*prescription drugs swallowed like candy, junk food gulped down by the truckload, bathe in cellphone/wifi microwaves, breathe smog, eat microplastics & BPA,raised on soy formula + broken family + circumcision trauma * NPC: All these are environmental factors that very weakly affect the brain, i've been informed by the media.
>>107 Reminder textboards have been forever tainted by 4chan already. Leave.
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Anonymous2018-10-18 19:42
People agree with me: "He's a free-thinking individual just like me." People disagree with me: "NPC, circlejerk, safe space, echo chamber."
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Anonymous2018-10-18 21:35
anyone who has fewer followers than me on twitter is an unpopular loser
anyone who has more followers than me on twitter spends all their life online and needs to go outside more
anyone who is a higher level than me in an RPG has no life anyone who is a lower level than me in an RPG is a scrub
anyone who makes less money than me is a lazy bum anyone who makes more money than me is a rich douchebag who doesn't deserve their money
anyone who is in worse shape than me is a fatass anyone who is in better shape than me is a dumb meathead who only knows how to work out and has a room temperature IQ
Within a period of forty to fifty years at the end of the thirteenth and the beginning of the twelfth century almost every significant city in the eastern Mediterranean world was destroyed, many of them never to be occupied again.[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse
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Anonymous2018-10-19 5:23
Education, Military, Corporations prisons, all are geared to turn PCs(students,soldiers,workers,prisoners) into NPCs obeying authority. There is a definite loss of free-will and autonomy, huge deference to authority and suppression of critical thinking.
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Anonymous2018-10-19 5:33
/pol/ thread on NPCs found interesting historical precursor to the NPC concept - the Golem(and actually spelled Goylem in modern times), an unthinking mass programmed by magic words. If a letter on golems head, a control word that defines the Golem is erased, the Golem dies. Sounds like NPC programming + meme magic + fail-safe mechanism.
>/pol/ thread on NPCs found interesting historical precursor to the NPC concept - the Golem No need to look that back up, liberals were already calling everyone a Russian bot the same way you guys are calling everyone NPCs. :^)
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Anonymous2018-10-19 7:32
>>117 Wow that's interesting. Medieval period was the golden age of post-Christian Europe, I wonder what really led to it.
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Anonymous2018-10-19 12:03
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland#Calcification Fluoride => Calcified brain tissues => NPC René Descartes believed the human pineal gland to be the "principal seat of the soul". Academic philosophy among his contemporaries considered the pineal gland as a neuroanatomical structure without special metaphysical qualities; science studied it as one endocrine gland among many. However, the pineal gland continues to have an exalted status in the realm of pseudoscience.[9]
A pineal tumor can compress the superior colliculi and pretectal area of the dorsal midbrain, producing Parinaud's syndrome. Pineal tumors also can cause compression of the cerebral aqueduct, resulting in a noncommunicating hydrocephalus. Other manifestations are the consequence of their pressure effects and consist of visual disturbances, headache, mental deterioration, and sometimes dementia-like behaviour.[43]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_eye Adherents of theosophist H.P. Blavatsky[6] have suggested that the third eye is in fact the partially dormant pineal gland, which resides between the two hemispheres of the brain. Reptiles and amphibians sense light via a third parietal eye—a structure associated with the pineal gland—which serves to regulate their circadian rhythms, and for navigation, as it can sense the polarization of light. C.W. Leadbeater claimed that by extending an "etheric tube" from the third eye, it is possible to develop microscopic and telescopic vision.[3] It has been asserted by Stephen Phillips that the third eye's microscopic vision is capable of observing objects as small as quarks.[7] According to this belief, humans had in far ancient times an actual third eye in the back of the head with a physical and spiritual function. Over time, as humans evolved, this eye atrophied and sunk into what today is known as the pineal gland.[8] Dr. Rick Strassman has hypothesized that the pineal gland, which maintains light sensitivity, is responsible for the production and release of DMT (dimethyltryptamine), an entheogen which he believes possibly could be excreted in large quantities at the moments of birth and death.[9]
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Anonymous2018-10-19 12:10
>>122 "Brain sand" is suspiciously short article for the magnitude of its impact (populationa affected by fluoridation is huge) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora_arenacea Corpora arenacea (or brain sand or acervuli[1][2] or corpus arenaceum[3]) are calcified structures in the pineal gland and other areas of the brain such as the choroid plexus. Older organisms have numerous corpora arenacea, whose function, if any, is unknown. Concentrations of "brain sand" increase with age, so the pineal gland becomes increasingly visible on X-rays over time, usually by the third or fourth decade. They are sometimes used as anatomical landmarks in radiological examinations.[4]
Chemical analysis shows that they are composed of calcium phosphate (later characterized as hydroxyapatite[5]), calcium carbonate, magnesium phosphate, and ammonium phosphate.[6] Recently, calcite deposits have been described as well.[7]
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Anonymous2018-10-19 12:50
What is actually happening to NPC with all these "reactive thinking patterns", emotional instability and lack of control? Hormonal changes!
>>124 Fluoride is making the fucking frogs ghey!!! We need ethnofacitraditiotardation!!!
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Anonymous2018-10-19 13:00
>>125 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691503001662 Fluoride was first associated with fetal malformation shortly after water fluoridation was initiated in the 1940s. Since many chemicals can interact directly with the embryo to cause malformation, the effects of fluoride on embryonic and fetal development were investigated. The effects of sodium fluoride on the development of frog embryos were studied under conditions described by the Frog Embryo Teratogenesis Assay—Xenopus (FETAX), a screening assay for teratogens. The most prominent malformations caused by sodium fluoride are reduction in the head-tail lengths and dysfunction of the neuromuscular system of the tadpoles. The values for LC50, EC50, and minimal concentration to inhibit growth (MCIG) of sodium fluoride met the limits established for a teratogen in frog embryos, showing that sodium fluoride is a direct acting teratogen on developing embryos. Since FETAX has a high degree of success in identifying mammalian teratogens, the observed teratogenic action of sodium fluoride on frog embryos would indicate a strong possibility that sodium fluoride may also act directly on developing mammalian fetuses to cause malformation.
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Anonymous2018-10-19 13:07
>>125 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255735748_Effects_of_fluoride_on_metamorphosis_thyroid_and_skeletal_development_in_Bufo_gargarizans_tadpoles This study examined the effects of chronic fluoride exposure on metamorphosis, thyroid and skeletal development in tadpoles of Chinese Toad, Bufo gargarizans. The tadpoles were exposed to fluoride concentrations either at 0, 1, 5, 10, or at 50 mg L(-1) from Gosner stage 26 to Gosner stage 42. Body weight, total length and percentage of tadpoles reaching metamorphosis climax were recorded, and thyroid histological examinations were employed. In addition, mRNA expression of both deiodinase type 2 (D2) and deiodinase type 3 (D3) was analyzed by using RT-PCR and skeletal systems were investigated by using double-staining methodology at stage 42. Results showed that total length and body weight were unaffected by fluoride exposure at all concentrations while metamorphosis was strongly inhibited only by 50 mg L(-1) fluoride. Histomorphological measurements showed the percentage of colloid depletion in thyroid gland increased significantly, while the average diameter of follicles was significantly shorter at 50 mg L(-1) concentration. In addition, fluoride at 5 mg L(-1) can stimulate bone mineralization, while fluoride at 50 mg L(-1) can retard deposition of calcium. In conclusion, our study suggests that 50 mg L(-1) fluoride could damage follicular cells in thyroid gland and induce a sharp reduction in thyroid hormone probably through the up-regulation of D3 mRNA expression, and these influences on thyroid system may delay metamorphosis as well as ossification in bone tissue by inhibiting calcium deposition.
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Anonymous2018-10-19 13:10
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691513006613 Recognition of the harmful effects of sodium fluoride (NaF) on human reproduction is increasing, especially as it relates to female reproduction. However, the mechanism by which NaF interferes with female reproduction is unclear. The aims of the present study were to investigate the effects of fluoride exposure on female fertility and to elucidate the mechanisms underlying these effects. Female Sprague–Dawley rats were divided into three groups: one control group and two NaF-treated groups (100 and 200 mg/L in the drinking water for 12 weeks). Several parameters were evaluated, including: (i) fluoride concentrations; (ii) estrogen (E2) and progesterone (P) concentrations; (iii) estrogen receptor alpha protein (ERα); (iv) progesterone receptor (PgR) protein; (v) follicle-stimulating hormone receptor (FSHR) and luteinizing hormone receptor (LHR) protein. The results indicated that administration of NaF lead to significant decreases in E2 and P levels in the serum and in the expression of FSHR protein. In addition, fluoride exposure significantly increased Erα and PgR protein expression levels and LHR protein expression. These results suggest that the reproductive hormone reduction and the abnormalities of related receptor proteins expression are important factors underlying the decreased fertility observed in female rats that have been exposed to NaF.
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Anonymous2018-10-19 13:11
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8169995 A review of fluoride toxicity showed decreased fertility in most animal species studied. The current study was to see whether fluoride would also affect human birth rates. A U.S. database of drinking water systems was used to identify index counties with water systems reporting fluoride levels of at least 3 ppm. These and adjacent counties were grouped in 30 regions spread over 9 states. For each county, two conceptionally different exposure measures were defined, and the annual total fertility rate (TFR) for women in the age range 10-49 yr was calculated for the period 1970-1988. For each region separately, the annual TFR was regressed on the fluoride measure and sociodemographic covariables. Most regions showed an association of decreasing TFR with increasing fluoride levels. Meta-analysis of the region-specific results confirmed that the combined result was a negative TFR/fluoride association with a consensus combined p value of .0002-.0004, depending on the analytical scenario. There is no evidence that this outcome resulted from selection bias, inaccurate data, or improper analytical methods. However, the study is one that used population means rather than data on individual women. Whether or not the fluoride effect on the fertility rate found at the county level also applies to individual women remains to be investigated.
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Anonymous2018-10-19 13:13
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8618252 Decreased testosterone concentrations in skeletal fluorosis patients and in males drinking the same water as the patients but with no clinical manifestations of the disease compared with those of normal, healthy males living in areas nonendemic for fluorosis suggest that fluoride toxicity may cause adverse effects in the reproductive system of males living in fluorosis endemic areas.
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Anonymous2018-10-19 13:17
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=PMC3491930 CONCLUSIONS: The results support the possibility of an adverse effect of high fluoride exposure on children's neurodevelopment. Future research should include detailed individual-level information on prenatal exposure, neurobehavioral performance, and covariates for adjustment.
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Anonymous2018-10-19 13:17
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18695947 The summarized weighted mean difference is -4.97 (95%confidence interval [CI] = -5.58 to -4.36; p < 0.01) using a fixed-effect model and -5.03 (95%CI = -6.51 to 3.55; p < 0.01) using a random-effect model, which means that children who live in a fluorosis area have five times higher odds of developing low IQ than those who live in a nonfluorosis area or a slight fluorosis area.
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Anonymous2018-10-19 13:18
Scientist: very high amounts of water cause drowning Traditionalist: BAN WATER! IT IS USED TO ERASE THE NIGGER MENTALITY THAT IS TRADITIONALISM BY KILLING EVERYONE WHO TOUCHES IT!
NPC: Fluoride is harmless, proven by Science and my dentist. NPC: No reason to be alarmed, "The Dose Makes The Poison". NPC: Why not add it to water supply? It helps teeth.
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Anonymous2018-10-19 13:38
Science: Iron is an essential microelement. The safe dosage is well known. Traditionalist: BAN ALL IRON BECAUSE SOME KID OVERDOSED!!! LOOK AT THIS DEAD RAT PIERCED BY IRON NEEDLE, LOOK AT HOW DEADLY IRON IS!!!
Fluoride is an essential microelement for creating NPCs
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Anonymous2018-10-19 13:58
NPC: *Microwaves the brain with iPhone* NPC: Look at those crazy traditionalists
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Anonymous2018-10-19 14:10
NPC: *Microwaves the brain with iPhone* NPC: Everyone who isn't a traditionalist is an NPC
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Anonymous2018-10-19 14:18
>>139 NPC: Everyone who doesn't use microwave-emitting devices in close proximity to their vital organs is a traditionalist nazi hitler facist misogynist pig
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Anonymous2018-10-19 14:39
NPC: Everyone who disagrees with me uses high-power microwave-emitting devices that control his brain and make him a SJW cultural marxist vampire ghost wizard
Coming to think of it, during sleep: 1.All humans enter a trance state. 2.Its very suggestive state, similar to hypnotic trance 3.Beaming sounds with microwaves could reprogram the mind as hypnotic suggestion, similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep-learning
Understanding the activity of different parts of the brain during sleep can give a clue to the functions of sleep. It has been observed that mental activity is present during all stages of sleep, though from different regions in the brain. So, contrary to popular understanding, the brain never completely shuts down during sleep. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sleep#Brain_activity_during_sleep
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Anonymous2018-10-19 15:00
Traditionalist: Tinfoil hatters are unironically right, the SJW marxist gov't uses microwaves to mentally control the sheeple.
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Anonymous2018-10-19 15:05
>>144 NPC: My dreams greatly improved after the new cellphone tower was installed nearby. Also, i've come out as bi-genderqueer demiromantic heteromollusc. #Impeach #BelieveWomen
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Anonymous2018-10-19 15:39
>>137 And what about areas/countries without fluoridation? Are they somehow immune to NPCs?
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Anonymous2018-10-19 15:42
>>146 Nope. Brain damage can be done with multiple tools: Vaccines, Food additives, Chemtrails, Microwaves.
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Anonymous2018-10-19 16:09
Traditionalist: All these SJW libtard NPCs are brainwashed and blindly follow authority. I wish we could go back to the 1600s when everyone was Christian and worshiped a king.
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Anonymous2018-10-19 16:09
"""Food additives""" GlassesOFF.jpg Ingredients: soy protein GlassesON.jpg Ingredients: Xenoestrogens and Endocrine disruptors
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Anonymous2018-10-19 16:18
>>148 NPC: Kings were worshiped and were literally Hitlers, i've had a history class on problematic dead white man and i understand all nuances of medieval patriarchy. #GrayWave #DrumpfIsHitler #Resist
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Anonymous2018-10-19 16:49
>>148 NPC: Christianity is horrible and oppressive, it denies women and LGBT rights - literally returning to dark ages. I'm converting to Islam to show these patriarchal misogynist Christian racist pigs how progressive and tolerant i am. #DiversityIsOurStrength #IslamicFeminism #FreePalestine
more like the frontier states, which did their own thing, and weren't a part of greater national affairs, kinda just living in their own insular communities
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Anonymous2018-10-19 18:11
>>152 That will be conquered by centralized government/kindgom. Isolationism only works with very low population density and lack of roads/transport. Your "insular communities" are an artifact of specific conditions. Ancient states were routinely expanding/conquering each other.
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Anonymous2018-10-19 18:24
>>153 ..to add, these "insular communities" will compete for resources and control of territory, so with absence of central government, they'll have small-scale wars(similar to tribes and ancient states)
they'll have small-scale wars(similar to tribes and ancient states)
Which is fine. That's part of the game of life, you wouldn't be sitting around feeling boxed in and butthurt if you were living with your band of brothers and marauding around. Comfort poisons the soul.
The idea that centralized states can defeat bands of warriors is laughable and proven wrong throughout history. Not even a Great Wall can stop them sacking a degenerate centralized state and raping everybody. History proves that marauding bands are the superior social organization.
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Anonymous2018-10-20 1:33
>>155 If you love that lifestyle so much, you don't have to fantasize for it. You can live it today. Just move to Uganda or Iraq.
The idea that centralized states can defeat bands of warriors is laughable and proven wrong throughout history.
Properly organized armies of centralized states/empires have more resources and manpower to overwhelm bands/tribes. Very few exceptions like the Mongols(who built their own centralized empire) exist, in most cases the tribe will lose a war with a state unless it has huge technological/demographic resource. Modern wars exist within a framework of human rights and Geneva convention, so it leaves an impression a weaker, smaller side in the conflict can survive a war. Its an illusion of course, just a few hours of targeted bombing of civilian centers will destroy it.
Modern wars exist within a framework of human rights and Geneva convention
Not the wars in Yemen and Palestine and various parts of Africa, yet they are ongoing. Also centralized states ALWAYS become degenerate and ruin their genes within 6 generations. At which point the superior warrior bands lay waste to them. Maybe pick up a book sometime? Or look around you, you retarded American drone, warriors from Guatemala run many of your cities.