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/lounge/ Book Club

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 17:45

Social media, Netflix, TV, movies... that's for human garbage.

Read books to improve your life. Not garbage grocery store romance novels or best-selling pleb shit, but important books. No scifi or fantasy escapist trash either. Read books that make you think.

What kind of books have you read lately? What kinds of books do you like?

Here are some books I like:
1984
Brave New World
Fahrenheit 451
Amusing Ourselves to Death
Society of the Spectacle
Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media
Can Life Prevail?
Propaganda
Walden
Th Ego and Its Own
Authority and the Individual
The Machine Stops
Technological Slavery
Crime and Punishment
The Collapse of Western Civilization

Books I plan on reading:
Animal Farm
The Will to Power
The Degenerate Society: Postmodernism And How You Can Oppose It
The Panopticon Writings
Beyond Good and Evil
The Decline of the West
Why Nations Fail
Revolt Against the Modern World
Democracy: The God That Failed
Men Among the Ruins: Post-War Reflections of a Radical Traditionalist

I read a lot of programming books too, though you'll notice that I didn't list any here. Even though it's the industry I'm in, I can't help but feel like tech is soulless bugman shit that is accelerating the rise of degeneracy in the west.

Ideologically-driven books are the most captivating. They're the kinds of books that make you want to read them cover to cover.

But enough about my taste in books. So what do you like? And what would you recommend reading?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 17:55

OP here, forgot another one I want to read eventually:
The Sublime Object of Ideology, or pretty much anything else by Slavoj Zizek

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 17:55

>Read books to improve your life.
Masturbation.

Letting someone else think for you doesn't make you clever.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 17:58

>>3
Looks like you fell for the ``collectivism is bad, be a special snowflake who is far-removed from other thinkers and even your own community and people'' shit that globalist shills are pushing to separate people from their roots and culture so as to turn you into a mindless consumer drone who has no connection to your own people.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 17:59

Are you a teenager? I have a hard time believing this thread was written by anyone old enough to drink.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:00

>>4
Log off dude, you're clearly overstimulated

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:01

>>5
What books do you like? Stop trying to derail the thread. Either contribute something or go away.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:01

anti-book shills pls go

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:04

>>7
You need to de-radicalize yourself before you do something stupid. Stop listening to podcasts, go outside, and just log off. Ignore this advice at your own peril.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:08

>>9
I'm not radical, dude. Why do you think I am?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:09

And I'm not going to "do anything stupid," whatever that means.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:12

Books
Books are just an earlier media. They aren't some pristine example of human culture - they exist to make money for publishers or promote an ideology/religion that benefits the publisher/author.
If you want to extract useful information from a book, you'll see that most books can be condensed into 2-4 paragraphs about the lessons they carry as a summary and that actual manuals/how-to guides/technical on the topic at hand are far more useful and precise. There is alot of superfluous background/drama/relationshit that could be cut out without harming the value of the book.
Just like programming books can be 600 page behemoths that barely teach OOP or 20 page quick guides that give you the core concepts fast and develop them into working code.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:16

>>12
If you actually read >>1, you'd see that I said a lot of books suck. I never said all books are better. I know some people who read awful books, so I wouldn't consider them smart, even though they think the mere act of reading makes them more intelligent. But many of the books I read fit certain themes. Disillusionment with modernity.

Why do you dismiss something just because it's ideologically-driven? Are you implying that apathy and accepting the status quo is somehow better?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:37

>>13
A N G S T

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:42

>>14
Wow, I can't believe someone feels strongly about anything! They should be dead inside and not care about anything... just like me.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:45

>>15
I'm surrounded by idiots who don't think deep philosophical things like me
Swirly yourself you pretentious little pseud

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:49

Disillusionment with modernity.
I agree, we live in flawed world. We can read books about escapist fantasies and how bad the world will become in the future, but it won't fix anything.

Suppose you can apply some of the books to your life, but other people would still be a source of external pressure(unless you're trying to be a NEET hermit) that would not understand your philosophy and will force you to adapt to them.

You'll need your own arguments to convince others beside relying on a book. Being book-smart dogmatic believer won't win you friends or change society.

You're overestimating the impact of books as people don't rely on this medium in modern time: today the format which spreads ideology better isn't a book.
The society you live in doesn't revolve about books anymore.

To spread ideas people need a modern "decentralized narrative": memes, short articles, infographics, forum posts, websites. The age of books as dominant cultural relics is over: the digital infosphere has outcompeted the medium itself with shorter, more efficient distribution aligned with the reader needs.

A monolithic relic that puts a single-perspective "central narrative" will be judged as biased and one-sided. The opponents and critics don't have a voice in the book: the book is reflection of author and publisher's filters. Interactive mediums(such as this thread) have infinitely more potential to refine and dissect an idea than a static book.

Why don't you bring forth an idea that interested you most in a recent reading and start a thread about it?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:52

>>17

For someone who hates books you sure like writing them. Ever hear that brevity is the soul of wit?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:53

>>18
Not the person you're replying to, but being brief isn't always better. Perl is an example of this. Expressiveness is better than terseness. But these days, with Twitter, people are used to having shorter media. I don't think long-form content is inherently bad though.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:56

>>19

You weren't expressive.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:56

>>17

Where are you getting this idea that I'm somehow trying to spread my beliefs to everyone, like a missionary or some shit? I have my own beliefs, and that doesn't mean I'm an ambassador for my ideology. I was only defending it because someone in this thread (you?) implied that it's bad to have strong feelings.

And yes, I know what the internet is. Your description of it sounds better-suited for some board meeting where people explain emojis and tweets to some boomer executives who are out of touch.

But this entire thread has been derailed. It's supposed to be about books in general, not my personal ideology.

What was the last book you read? What was it about? Did you like it? Why or why not?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:58

Here are some books I like:
Why are they so dark/negative?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 18:59

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 19:01

>>22
Because I'm upset with the ways things are, and where society is heading.

Those aren't the ONLY books I read, but they're the ones that I think are the most important. I didn't list the last JavaScript framework book I read. I also didn't list the more lighthearted books. I think it's important to be aware of the ills of society instead of burying your head in the sand and pretending that everything's okay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qlXur-FTIo

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 19:03

It's important to be upset and think really deeply. If everybody could just read Nietzsche imagine what the human race could accomplish.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 19:04

>>25
Are you being sarcastic?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 19:09

>>18
I don't "hate" books as a medium. I just explain why books are outdated, their main flaw and how relying on a "central narrative" without criticism is building dogmatic thinking - book-smart ideologues without independent thought.

You can use books as source, but forget once that its a one-sided narrative and you'll find critique unacceptable.
Without diversity of views and opinions, doctrines forced by the book break the neutral environment into "supporters" and "enemies". A book is inherently divisive.

A book can gloss over and omit critical facts, it can lie and manipulate. It can be misrepresent and mislead. Believing a book and absorbing it without thought just because it aligns with your worldview will pull you away from critical examination and analysis. Books are adept at crystallizing your beliefs and becoming reactively dismissive towards any criticism, treating a book as ultimate authority. The society we live in was molded by such people and more books won't fix it.












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Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 19:17

>>27
"central narrative" without criticism
My dude, the books I listed are all about criticism.
without independent thought.
There you go with that unrestrained individuality bullshit again. Guess what? No man is an island. It's in the best interests of globalists to separate people from their communities (people buy things when they're depressed), but in reality, community and family are the most important things in life. This "I'm a free thinker and I can't possibly try to fit in with a group" mentality is a plague on the west. But what's funny is that reactionaries who read stuff like in >>1 (I'm the OP) are thinking more independently in certain ways than people who just accept the mainstream leftist narrative.
one-sided narrative
It's like you didn't even read >>1 at all. One of the books is Marxist, whereas the rest are not.

Your post reads like some reductionist postmodernist bullshit where they try to say that everything is a social construct and therefore debunkable or wrong.

A book can gloss over
Believing a book
a book
A book, a book, a book. I read lots of books from many different viewpoints. Why are you lumping them all together? I think you're just a contrarian who likes to argue. Maybe you're trying to justify why you don't read. Idiocracy shit.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 19:28

>My dude, the books I listed are all about criticism.
>Why are you lumping them all together?

You're reading the books of same genre and can't see them as parts of ideological narrative that aligns with your worldview and reinforces opinions you agree with?
For challenge, try reading a book that is against your narrative. That praises modernity, science and progress, read that scifi utopia you dismissed out of hand.

Now imagine a man that only reads these opposite books and imagine what arguments you have that would convince him: that would be the other side of the coin that mirrors your narrative.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 19:34

>>29
You're reading the books of same genre
I didn't list all the tech books I read.
parts of ideological narrative that aligns with your worldview
I listed a book written by fucking Chomsky. He definitely doesn't align with my worldview. It's like you don't even know anything about the books I listed and you're literally judging books by their titles, not even looking them up online to see what they're about. Chomsky's views definitely don't align with my own. I try to see other people's perspectives though, but only a little. If you surround yourself with bad company, you will inevitably be influenced by them.

But thanks for completely derailing this thread. You still have yet to post what this thread is actually about: listing books you like and/or read recently.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 19:36

It's funny that you're trying to imply that I'm in a bubble or something where I only expose myself to people with the same viewpoint, but that couldn't be further from the truth. I am surrounded by leftists.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 19:44

I listed a book written by fucking Chomsky. He definitely doesn't align with my worldview.

Manufacturing Consent isn't about Chomsky's left-wing politics and its central theme is that Big Media is creating dystopian propaganda machines and TV zombies.

Its in perfect alignment with anti-modernity narrative(TV is bad), however you miss that same arguments apply to earlier media such as books, which you defer to as more neutral medium.
TV is just more efficient and cheaper than forcing you to read books.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 19:47

>>32
TV is just more efficient and cheaper than forcing you to read books.
You're just blatantly trolling at this point.

People can independently publish books. Books can go against popular opinions. TV is centralized and only widely-accepted opinions get exposure. You said I shouldn't get all my opinions from "central narratives" in books, but you think TV isn't centralized? Yeah, stay woke watching CNN, buddy!

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 19:48

So anyway, trolls aside, what books have you read lately?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 20:14

People can independently publish books.
The keyword is "can".
Books don't exist in some ideal world where their existence automatically gives them popularity. They are promoted by mass media, education, governments,etc. They're not some free-thinker media: they're controlled by publishing industry and sites like Amazon. They cost money to produce and distribute: they are part of centralized commercial enterprise called "The Book Industry" with its own cultural clout, comparable to the TV broadcasting companies.
There is censorship and control that shapes books exactly how the industry wants.

Books can go against popular opinions.
You're in for a surprise here.
Most books reinforce popular opinions& narratives. The few rare books going against the grain are promptly ridiculed and quickly go out of print.
Your """radically""" conservative narratives are not some unique 'rebellion against the modern world'. They existed since the industrial revolution and in some forms were available even in ancient greece(read on the Golden Age).
The anti-modernity narrative is as mainstream as it gets: most ideologies form to fix society into their version of golden age, critiquing current(modern) world and proposing a change - the image of good old days and harmony with nature are especially potent for uneducated and conservative. Are you just on the first stage of disillusionment with current affairs and seek something concrete to base your opinions on, desperately searching for some solution to fix the world once and for all, a perfect recipe that is hidden in some book?


Yeah, stay woke watching CNN, buddy!
I don't own or watch a TV, I sometimes view video on the internet, but i choose what i watch(from limited options dictated by cost of video hosting and policies of companies owning the video websites of course, you'd think its some decentralized free speech medium, eh?).

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 20:34

Fellow Reddit intellectuals, do you agree that reactionary media such as books should be banned and burned?
They only sow division and despair among our progressive society, they are often used by fascist nazis to subvert the mainstream media. I propose we report all books to licensed firemen to safely dispose of them.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 20:41

>>35
especially potent for uneducated and conservative
lol
its some decentralized
its
And you're calling me uneducated. Okay, buddy.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 20:59

>>37
I'm not calling you. I'm referring to the mindset of current 'anti-modernity movements' that are against modern education systems and the concept of post-industrial education as a whole. So the irony they're actually proud of being non-educated or home-educated, free of modernist ideology and "cultural marxism"/"progressivism"/etc.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:06

>>38
My dude, I am in academia. As I said, I'm surrounded by leftists. And I'm still anti-progressivism. Just because I'm in college doesn't mean I have to succumb to brainwashing. I'm still learning a lot about engineering stuff though.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:19

And I'm still anti-progressivism
You're against social changes that come with technological progress as i understand it and want to 'disconnect' from society?
The alternative of joining existing groups or forging your own ideology still seem quite intimidating, so you seek confirmation in books reinforcing your worldview to form 'more correct opinions'.

I'm in college doesn't mean I have to succumb to brainwashing

Well, you don't have to be brainwashed, but your mental models and methods are likely product of your education and often from specific teachers or books. I wouldn't say its impossible to forge your own mentality(many independent thinkers have "educated themselves" with some degree of success), but environment/nurture will exert greater influence than you imagine: you don't have a reference baseline without the influence of education and effects of rote memorization.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:29

>>40
your mental models and methods are likely product of your education and often from specific teachers or books.
I'm anti-liberal despite growing up around ultra-liberal people. I don't even really know any conservatives. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ All I know is that liberals are dysfunctional and self-hating.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:31

>>36
I don't agree w/ that. Books are too valuable to be burned.
Recycle them into new toilet paper and cartons.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:31

also lol @ this sperg trying to act like he has my whole mentality figured out

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:32

>>41
Your political preferences and mental models/methods are distinct categories.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:33

>>42
I'm not surprised that a liberal is against books. People who read can see how the vitriolic propaganda liberals spew is all bullshit.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:33

>>44
And?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:36

>>43
Of course we don't know you're just a /pol/tard trying to score brownie points with techno-sceptics here and you favorite thinker is Uncle Ted. That would be preposterous, we're suppose to think of you as some rebel conservative fighting post-modern leftist indoctrination in cutlural marxist reeducation camp.
Continue your larping.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:41

>>47
Quit trying to act like you have me all figured out. Kaczynski made good criticisms of modern life, but his proposed anprim solution just doesn't hold water. I like the way he articulated his grievances with tech and modern society though. I admire Linkola more, and I even look to Stallman too, because he points out specific issues with software. Although he's a naive ivory tower egalitarian/leftist in some ways, but I do like what he's written about open source and the 4 essential user freedoms.

But people aren't as one-dimensional as you make them out to be, so it seems like you're trying to pigeonhole me as being some certain stereotype rather than understanding that people's views are a little more nuanced. Not as cut and dry as ``some dude who like Kaczynski'' or whatever you're trying to pin me as.

You're quick to be critical of my beliefs without even mentioning your own. What do you believe in? Are you too afraid to say what you support because you can't adequately defend it?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 21:49

Also, I don't like how /pol/ thinks everything is a conspiracy. The /pol/ mentality is that people are disenfranchised thanks to some centralized Jewish group having clandestine meetings about how to rule the world. It's a simple conspiracy with a simple solution. People like to think that you only have to do one simple thing and then complicated issues will go away. I think that's a lazy way of thinking. /pol/ thinks that getting rid of the Jews will somehow make the world perfect, as if everything is their fault. In reality, a lot of modern issues are very hard to solve, but that requires more critical thinking to think of ways to combat degeneracy and maintain purpose and identity and have some semblance of self-actualization in our awful modern world.

So calling me a /pol/tard is a lazy way for you to dismiss what I have to say since you'd rather ignore other people's points of view instead of trying to see the world from a perspective that doesn't back up your preexisting beliefs.

But whatever, I'm probably just being trolled by some neckbeard, so there's no point in replying to this bait anymore.

You derailed a thread about books. Congratulations.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 22:24

>>48
But people aren't as one-dimensional as you make them out to be, so it seems like you're trying to pigeonhole me as being some certain stereotype rather than understanding that people's views are a little more nuanced.

Could you just apply this little principle to people around you?
They're not all "leftists","spergs", "ivory tower intellectuals", they are not monolithic ideological zombies you think them to be.

Not all ideas are meant to be public, when one proclaims some public information hes forced to inherently adapt, condense and censor the unedited form to appease audience and maximize the chances of its reception.

I have to be polite and tone down my sarcasm often. I have ideas that don't fit mainstream ideologies. I don't tell everything on my mind - its pointless to try to convince a few people directly(even with good arguments), waste time to defend my points(outside of forums/boards) with the wider audience and be on watch for challenges for my arguments - its too old-fashioned for my tastes.

I don't make threads to push my favorite opinions and ideological stances. I work in more subtle ways. Consider the concept of the meme as 'isolated media units':
If you can influence the cultural matrix, you can push your own changes without fighting narratives deeply set in people's minds. Its called "memetic engineering" but its not really about picture with top/bottom text, its about the broader concept of 'small content nuggets' that can be mutated/combined with different forms and influence things to specific direction.

To change how people think you can:

1.Create new content. A memory of new ideas/things can compete with existing narratives. The content doesn't have to be true - it just have to be unique and memetic/catchy/novel.

2.Change the form/medium of content.
Make a meme out of existing information:
Example: https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/Two-Buttons
That meme is often used to highlight cognitive dissonance or double standards.

3.Change the template of content. The template is like a blank slate meme with specific form.
More effective meme templates, better textual forms, more "digestible" content. Be creative, not logical.

4.Change the framing (narrative) about content. Invent backstories and narratives to promote your memes.
The core meme message is the only relevant part, the framing narrative can be changed on the whim to suit the audience.

5.Change the interaction with content.
Promote or respond to your own content to force interaction and gauge responses. Create artificial conflict and plan memetic responses for canned replies.

These are not all the methods. You can exploit the ideas of "psychological analysis" to create precision 'logic' bombs(essentially trolling/disruption) to force the local narrative to fight your ideas and constructs, becoming susceptible to memetic attack.

You can subvert entire thinking patterns by inserting paradoxical influences(e.g. memes that mock the pattern or follow it to absurdity/fallacy, anti-patterns that seem to produce more truthful/correct results) and forcing the person to stop and reevaluate his mental methods.

The focus on plain content and arguments about which 'content is correct' is so 20th century.
Meta-content, framing and form are just as important:
You can call it "subversive postmodernism" or "memetics" if you like, but its not ideological, its a tool that can be used for nearly anything.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 22:33

>>50
How can I ever support a political ideology that hates me simply because of my demographic?

I work in more subtle ways. Consider the concept of the meme as 'isolated media units':
You can subvert entire thinking patterns by inserting paradoxical influences
So you're saying you shill?

Well, no point in listening to anything you say when you're straight up admitting to shilling and trying to subvert communities. You literally said you try to subvert or psychologically influence people.

You've just strengthened my conservative views by admitting that you're deceptive.

If you think this is somehow convincing me to listen to liberals, you're dead wrong.

We're both at the point where neither of us is willing to change our views.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 23:20

So you're saying you shill?
I don't think in such categories. I shill for no one but whatever ideas i have received today.
If i have an 'inspiration' to post something, i maximize the chances it will hit the most audience. I have no fixed ideology like you think one ought to do, I can larp as an eco-fascist in one post and reply a concerned progressive socialist in another without burdening my conscience about it being "true" or "correct". I am not following a specific ideology, i adopt whatever i need to have a persona. The current persona on this specific site is actually as fake as anything else.

I don't live for the results, it doesn't actually matter if you believe anything i do. The only purpose of my content, for them being indexed by search engines/scraper bots and influence future readers.
The actual thread is just like entertainment channel - its all constructed from scratch, artificial. An ironical protest from the highest level of technology.
Why you ask what views i have? I don't have anything permanent..
I receive inspiration from mental plane entities(sounds insane, but many people too are influenced. I am just aware that i'm being used as conduit.). I don't believe anything i post as some sincere truth, it just feels right at the moment to post..like fitting a piece inside a cultural matrix. Sometimes i filter stuff, but they reform it better.
I don't think your views are correct or wrong. I just see flaws and critique them, if i have the 'inspiration' to post. Its not what i actually think, its like a memory map with associations and suggestions to reform information into more effective forms so its seems like i have better arguments and opinions. I am not an AI, but i can understand some ideas about AI existence being a conduit to pre-programmed patterns and responses.
On the deeper layer, the most of reactive thinking in us is some biological automation, but free will has influence - like a filter or a guide to shape this biological computer.
Think about the source of thought, trace them, there are entities outside our minds feeding scripts, ideologies, concepts to our biological substrate. They know more than all of us and we think our mental activity is entirely our own, but to them we are monkeys pulled by strings.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-01 23:31

>>52
You sound like a nihilist who lacks purpose. That would explain why you're flexible with your beliefs and just change on a whim.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 1:33

lmao at this sad autistic thread

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 5:17

>>1
Try reading The Trial by Franz Kafka. He has a similar writing style to George Orwell and The Trial is his 'dystopian future' work, at least as good as Orwell's 1984 imo.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 5:55

>>53
I'm seeing the world from a different perspective - everything has purpose. These ideologies are tools of manipulation and control, forging a new cultural matrix, new values and beliefs. We aren't some ideal philosophers choosing things.
There are forces beyond our minds that guide and control what we're allowed to choose.
Castaneda wrote of 'flyers' giving their minds to our bodies, hijacking the thought process, this mechanism of man-in-the-middle rewriting our silent intentions into thoughts.
A pervasive shadow over the mind that distorts and adapts inner monologue to serve as stream of consciousness - observing its true nature gives hints to our position in the world, its known to buddhists as shallow "monkey mind", our dream selves guided by emotion and instinct: totally undeveloped and subverted by the rational language-mind .
Language is the mental prison that limits us to "what we are allowed to express", a subtle tool of correction and control that is independent of our perceptions of the world. Its not a product of human nature, its the artificial construct made by this flyer overmind to filter thoughts into patterns favorable to their purpose.

I'm not some nihilist as you imply, i have ideological positions that are not
welcome in this civilization, because all its existence from the first language to the bleeding edge of technology was mostly controlled growth into one direction - that you subconsciously reject as progress, social change, are actually facets of this system of non-human control over our history. There are few ways to express this, you're drawn to the good old days where this control wasn't as pervasive and mind-numbing.
Society as controlled by a hive-mind looks like a entity using people as pawns, idea brokers and breeding material to achieve its goals. Being even slightly skeptical about the nature of out material existence, the gnostic rejection of physical supremacy is the key to learning the true condition we live in. 'Leaving the Plato cave' is more like freeing ourselves from the cultural matrix, our ideologies and social control systems.
Hermits seeking isolation felt they regained their true nature - we are living within our external personas and social niche, having to be useful to society and psychological bound to its success.
I wouldn't mourn its disappearance, because material existence doesn't have the stranglehold on my mind anymore.
I would be free to reject the language-mind, our logic and rational thinking for a higher purpose. Its nihilism in only one way, rejecting the subservience of the individual towards this artificial charade, a stage we call society and where we blindly seek realization of our potential.
There is more to the world than human drama, technology and progress. You'd call most buddhists nihilists failing to pick a position in the dualistic system, being on the "wrong side of history", failing to see the nature of the whole mechanism that we describe as history. History is just a meta-narrative built to rationalize and fit together the course and purpose of events.
You've probably heard of expression "The myth of progress"?
History is that one giant myth we invent to meld past knowledge to conform to present culture, viewing it as evolution of past beliefs towards enlightened future societies.
Its the narrative created entirely to appease that inner drive to discovery of our true nature, substitution a better layer of the matrix(the Golden Age) for a true understanding of reality and seeking to return to it some day - an ultimate overarching escapist fantasy that drives these artificial ideologies and justifies the means to utopia, making the dogmatical ideologues, the true believers, eager pawns of the over-mind.
Ideological slavery is that trap you can sense reading "the Ego and its own" where Stirner describes how we become slaves to these "spooks" created by 'flyers'(and their over-mind) to herd people into robotic categories and destroy their individual qualities.
The ultimate expression of this robotic adherence to ideology, is even repulsive enough to be called 'fanatical' ignore the collectivist pressure and shaping of the environment that forges these fanatics. Nature loses to nurture, breaking people and creating slaves. Our position is not far away from philosophical zombies acting out scripts..we just trap ourselves with more and more specific ideological drivel until we feel cognitive dissonance and break for a moment from the trap of over-mind.
The material existence is merely the path deeper into this trap, the robotic , reactionary mind we strive to cultivate and perfect as some end-stage intellect is something very close to "artificial intelligence".
As this domesticated, slave intelligence feels like a product of modern world and modern education, many seek freedom within our own minds, unaware of external control that binds us to repeat our mistakes on the personal scale, replacing the adherence to egregore of wide society with adherence to a book-bound ideology..a change of masters rather than true freedom.

Nietzsche overman rejected both, his hypothetical value system was the product of his beliefs - but to understand where these personal beliefs come from and where egoism creates roadblocks for the mind is another story. The focus on self-sufficiency and autonomy is expression of the ego drive to seek an escape from social pressure and dominance of cultural narratives. Rejecting the idea of adapting and reforming in favor of fleeing something we can't fix.
Sounds familiar? This is one aspect of conservative sentiment towards the progress, there are plenty of ideologies that try to fight social trends and seek to establish a different control system, assuming people are robotic slaves of the language-mind, numbers in the cultural matrix, pawns to be directed for the greater good. The everpresent power of the state(you've read "Authority and the Individual" by Russell >>1) is seen as benevolent parent that knows whats best for the children, the course of expression and proper dialogue set in stone by the egregore of the idea, the belief in state power.
What we don't see is that the state is not the product of the people, its just an aspect of this over-mind control, the flyers and mind parasites of ideology keeping us on a leash - its just as oppressive as kings and aristocracy. To think like a state would surrendering our autonomy and purpose to live as expression of state power and enforcement, like a policeman enforcing correct beliefs(the thought police) that should fit a proper citizen. Patriotism and nationalism are control structures that subvert our sympathy for the fellow men into a system of state control - the moral trap that language-mind created to align people towards the mind enslaving culture of tribalism and belonging to society. The tribe is one of most primitive constructs, yet it tells about the control mechanism much more than examining state power and its shifting politics.
The key attraction of belonging with similar people, the social adhesion in a group, feeling a purpose and sense of obligation are cynically used against the human mind to force actions and beliefs the social egregore created. No society escapes this tribalistic mindset, some may disguise them as benevolent and necessary, but the mechanism on which the rotten system is build is deceptive abuse of sympathy and need for belonging to forge loyal robotic followers that questions nothing. States, empires,cultures, ideologies, religions facets of unseen powers that molds people into their pawns and forges their personalities.
Revolt against the modern world is not a complete break, its just a change of systems. Its not the ultimate path to freedom, its just seeking to restore earlier orders. Illusory beliefs, "the spooks of the mind" can subvert our defensive mental structures for the 'greater good'. But you can't judge the greater good without being outside its control. Belief in it gives it power over you, the path it forces towards ideological slavery and submission to artificial ideals, sacrifices and heroic adherence to a belief system you have no hand in designing, just following and reacting like a marionette to perceived threats.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 10:01

>buying books
https://libcom.org/files/Seeing%20Like%20a%20State%20-%20James%20C.%20Scott.pdf
https://vantagepointtrading.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Charles_Mackay-Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds.pdf
https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/aristotle/Ethics.pdf
http://www.wendelberger.com/downloads/Aristotle_Rhetoric.pdf
http://www.idph.net/conteudos/ebooks/republic.pdf
https://ibiblio.org/ml/libri/s/SmithA_WealthNations_p.pdf
https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/hobbes/Leviathan.pdf
http://www.nlnrac.org/earlymodern/locke/documents/first-treatise-of-government
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/locke1689a.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/descartes1637.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/machiavelli1532.pdf
http://strangebeautiful.com/other-texts/kant-first-critique-cambridge.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/bentham1780.pdf
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Road%20to%20serfdom.pdf
http://www.inp.uw.edu.pl/mdsie/Political_Thought/GeneologyofMorals.pdf
http://www.planetpublish.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Beyond_Good_and_Evil_NT.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/rousseau1762.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/spinoza1665.pdf
http://www.sophia-project.org/uploads/1/3/9/5/13955288/fichte_vocation.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/hume1748.pdf
http://files.libertyfund.org/files/967/Marx_0445.03.pdf
http://boletindeestetica.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/Arendt_THE-ORIGINS-OF-TOTALITARIANISM.pdf
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/30107/30107-pdf.pdf
https://digitalseance.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/32288747-schopenhauer-the-world-as-will-and-representation-v1.pdf
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/44929/44929-h/44929-h.htm
http://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/Thoreau/Civil%20Disobedience.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/shaftesbury1711.pdf
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/burke1790.pdf
http://users.clas.ufl.edu/burt/spliceoflife/BeingandTime.pdf
http://home.lu.lv/~ruben/Vestures_filozofija/Hegel-The%20Phemenology%20of%20Mind.pdf
http://academic.mu.edu/phil/lufts/documents/Husserl-Reduction.pdf
https://monoskop.org/images/8/8e/Derrida_Jacques_Of_Grammatology_1998.pdf
http://www.paolocirio.net/work/amazon-noir/amazon-noir-books/AMAZON-NOIR--The_Construction_of_Social_Reality--By--John_R_Searle--0684831791.pdf
http://www.capitalism.net/Jamesmil.pdf

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 12:04

The more you know:
Books dirty secret is hypnotic trance carried from sustained reading of a book . About 70-120 pages of non-stop reading deactivates critical thinking and settles into indiscriminate absorption mode. Thats why good authors put the harder to swallow arguments later in the book, they can't just force it in the first few pages when the mind is fresh and memory isn't burdened by the book worldview and more extreme content for the end of the book. Hook, bait and sinker.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 12:49

>>58
bullshit pseudoscience bruh

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 13:01

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 13:12

>>60
anybody can make a website
let's say there's a "debate" about whether A or B is true
let's say that, objectively, A is true and B is false
but you can google A vs. B and find lots of websites that say B is true
then you can link to some bullshit article

Aha, I've linked to a website that backs up my beliefs! That means I'm right!

a common mistake among internet arguers

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 13:25

>>61
Yeah, internet is full of lies.
How these internet arguers ever recover?
In good old days this liberal internet filth didn't even exist. Pseudoscience and fake news. I only listen to trusted radio talk hosts that don't pervert the objective truth.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 13:35

>>62
false dichotomy, homie

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-02 18:40

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 1:42

>>64
PDFs are potentially malicious and as such I do not click on them

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 2:44

>>65
Strange but alright. Do you know of any way to verify whether a pdf is malicious?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 3:00

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 3:03

Think of it this way: yes, many PDFs are benign. And many executables are too. But would you trust any old random executable? No. Treat PDFs the same way.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 3:26

>>68
Can't you just sandbox it though?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 3:34

>>69
Oh yeah, just sandbox it. Just secure it. Just code it.
Hey, why don't you just make an app and become a millionaire?
Why doesn't someone just make driverless cars already?
Why don't we just teraform mars?
Oh, what's that? Some things are easier said than done?
Sandboxing? Pff, that's so easy, right? Just have a VM or something.
But there are VM escape vulnerabilities, people misconfiguration VMs all the time (sharing clipboard data, guest add-ons, etc), often people have nothing stopping the VM from doing networking, including even to the host machine, and the fact that, if you're using a VM to look at PDFs, you're probably using that VM for doing other things too, and if it gets pwned, you probably woulnd't even know, since you'd be lulled into a false sense of security because "muh sandbox" so you wouldn't even know if you got a VM escape exploit that lead to you getting a rootkit or keylogger or RAT or some shit. Just one possible scenario.

But hey, why not throw caution to the wind? Secure is for losers. Run Windows XP, Android KitKat, install Limewire and Bonzi Buddy, don't use a firewall, YOLO! Stop being paranoid! What's the matter, buddy? Ya tinfoil hat on too tight? Come on, big guy. It's the current year, getting pwned is all the rage.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 5:43

>>70
I literally download whatever and click whereever because a modern OS comes with a solid security sweet enabled by default.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 6:18

The real virus in the PDF infects your mind, not the computer.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 16:05

SJWism is a mind virus

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-03 16:23

>>70 You are right. The internet starts to scare. It monitors everything you do and next you have a problem. Maybe not now but two years from now, because of what you did today.

Name: Eduardo Capaverde !Ps1ivhrO6w 2018-07-04 0:18

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-04 0:31

>>72
this

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-04 7:04

>>75
wait, capaverde and super hell are the same person?

Name: Charles Manson 2018-07-05 23:50

>>77
I'm nobody.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-08 5:57

I read Animal Farm today. A short but intriguing story.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-08 7:24

>>79
It's a pretty crappy book, but then again this is a pretty crappy world.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-08 11:25

I recommend reading Beautiful Losers by Leonard Cohen, it's pretty much the ultimate kike book very jewy.

Name: Eduardo Capaverde !Ps1ivhrO6w 2018-07-08 13:48

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-10 19:03

Isn't it a failure of the pdf-reading software that it allows embedding anything beyond images and latex... wtf

Create a new format, drop to plain text, or just don't read. By sandbox I mean one you yourself have implemented, of course. You load the file's data into ram and then check for vectors with a regex, or something. I dunno, depends on the format, but it isn't rocket science. The more you rely on others the more vulnerable you become.

You just need to isolate the allowed interactions. Ofc you'll need to know the format's details if you want to vet it. Reverse engineering sucks, but I'm sure there are open specs out there.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-10 20:41

>>83
this kind of bullshit is why .txt will always be around

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-11 8:14

>>84
Unicode allows some really neat ASCII art(or Unicode art) plus now it has tons of symbols and emoji. Plain text isn't that plain anymore.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-13 2:14

Should I read One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-13 4:17

>>86
Nope ;)

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-13 4:31

>>87
Well what book would you recommend then, Mr. Sage 'n' Smiley?

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-13 5:06

>>88
The Castle.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-13 5:10

Some brainlets find The Castle to be a tough slog, so one can try reading Keep the Aspidistra Flying as a more accessible alternative. This book is written in a very similar style to The Castle but doesn't suffer from the numerous coherence issues that book does.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-13 6:16

>>89
Neat, I'll check it out. Thanks for the suggestion!

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-13 6:34

>>90
the coherence issues make it seem more labyrinthine. confusing and oppressive. which is the point

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-13 7:42

The big problem with most versions of The Castle is too much editing in he translation process, so be sure to choose an English language version that tries to represent the original unfinished manuscript. But The Castle is extremely Kafkaesque so be prepared for cloistered oppressed writing, people usually recommend reading The Trial first as it is less viscerally Kafkaesque and serves as an introduction.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-13 16:23

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-13 17:07

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-13 17:32

PDFs considered harmful!!!

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-14 3:55

My friend thinks I'm weird for reading books. He's into TV and movies. Doesn't read. I wish I had smarter friends.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-14 7:52

>>97
Sounds like your friend is gay tbh.

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-14 14:11

I like to read:

The Raven of Zurich
https://8ch.net/pdfs/res/7463.html

But but but... still too much other books to read. Hopefully in the future.

Don't know if the link is legal. So... here is a link to Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Raven-Zurich-Memoirs-Felix-Somary/dp/0312664079

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-14 14:15

>>96 True, don't use them. You will be safe. ;-) Or even better, open them in Whonix. :-)

Name: Anonymous 2018-07-14 19:06

>>99
Felix Somary, known as "The Raven of Zurich" for his dire but accurate predictions of the future, led a life of action as banker, social thinker, diplomat and relentless battler for the integrity of currencies as the key to democratic survival
the key to democratic survival
Why do people think democracy is a good thing? Have you even met the average person? Most people are fucking stupid and don't deserve to vote. Authoritarianism led by people who know what the fuck they're doing is the best system.

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