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DRM, meet Darknet

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-01 8:24

Hopefully I don't get banned for spam. I thought this was an interesting article:
https://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2017/11/how-four-microsoft-engineers-proved-copy-protection-would-fail/
The article says it was published recently, but, in actuality, this article was recycled from a post in 2012. The article itself actually discusses a 2002 paper issued by Microsoft from the time the first began to "lock down the PC", in this case by means of the failed Trusted Windows Project.

Why repost a nearly half-decade-old article? Because it was completely right in its predictions about DRM and piracy. Basically, the crux of the argument is that DRM is inherently imperfect and, for as long as the best and brightest minds can crack DRM, there will always be cracked media circulating on the "darknet". Hollywood would react by attacking the most centralized parts of the darknet (e.g. the Pirate Bay), and the cracker community, in turn, would simply becoming more decentralized.

The whole point of DRM was never to be perfect. Hollywood's logic was basically making it inconvenient for the average person the subvert it. Somthing they don't point out is that we, the normal people, have to deal with the consequences of this. Maybe not in media, but let's go back to Trusted Windows. Well, that project didn't last, but we see the product of that effort: UEFI, secureboot, which effectively locks us out of installing a freer operating system onto a lot of modern hardware. We're suffering because Hollywood is basically trying to fight entropy. When will they learn? Because for as long as they don't, the only one who loses is us. We know for a fact that piracy doesn't affect the retail of digital media.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-01 10:31

arse technica

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-02 1:11

Archive link: https://archive.is/GSh7y

Yes. The problem goes back a long way to things like extension of copyright protections, and the dubious concept of "intellectual property," DRM is just yet another symptom of that. It's not going to change until the big corporations, Hollywood, et al finally realize that people sharing their works among one another is not a crime. This would be like comic book publishers lobbying the government to arrest the owners of used comic book stores for failing to report to the original publishers what is the current status of their merchandise. Even Thomas Jefferson was talking about these similar issues over 200 years ago: http://harmful.cat-v.org/economics/intellectual_property/thomas-jefferson | https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/03-06-02-0322

Name: /prog/ 2017-12-02 1:14

/prog/

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-02 14:59

>>4
/prog/ is full of off-topic bullshit, don't want to contribute more to that.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-02 15:14

>>5
DRM is programming related

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-02 15:59

>>6
Sure, if you're talking about how to implement it.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-02 23:18

>>6
Is politics programming related? How about law? Because that's what DRM comes down to.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-03 0:42

>>8
Are you seriously implying that there is no programming involved in DRM at any level in any capacity? Wow.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-03 11:08

>>8
Yo cracker
DRM is also software related, just because it's added because of politics doesn't make it not programming related

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-03 19:52

>>10
Yo fam, shove that intersectionality up the nongendered orifice of your choice.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-03 23:33

>digital rights management had to work not just against average users, but against the most tech-savvy users on the planet. It only takes a single user to find a vulnerability in a DRM scheme, strip the protection from the content, and release the unencrypted version to the darknet.
Well, I've found the solution: death penalty for the cracker. No sane person would break the law, if the price is his life.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-04 1:09

Two solutions to this problem:
• Stop using Windows and macOS
• Stop watching Hollywood and television garbage

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-04 1:31

Lots of DRM will never be cracked because nobody competent cares about the latest beyonce farce or shitty tv show based on a comic book. That is why most new shows and pop stars are exclusively appealing to darkies and women, can you imagine a nig going on piratebay rather than simply using a stolen credit card on itunes? No.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-04 6:46

>>12
That's where you're wrong, kiddo. Learn how to quote properly.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-04 6:49

>>12
Sounds reasonable. Worked for the war on drugs.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-04 7:33

>>13
• Stop watching Hollywood and television garbage
Ah, and let me guess: in lieu of cable television (which no one is watching regardless) we should all subscribe to Netflix to combat DRM? Sound logic. It's not like Netflix lobbies for DRM or anything. What incentive would they have to do such a thing? And I'm totally confident Ubuntu, the distro of the publically traded Canonical has no incentive to ship with proprietary, unethical software, either, amirite?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-04 10:27

>>14
Also the fact that it's literally easier to record the screen than it is to crack DRM. Path of least resistance.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-04 15:46

Netflix is Hollywood's prime competitor, and equally as harmful--if not more, because you people actually like them.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-04 23:27

>>17
I include Netflix under the category of ``television.'' And of course one shouldn't use UBANTO . Use Slackware, or better yet *BSD.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-04 23:27

>>20
because you people actually like them.
Proof?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 7:13

>>22
Is that a fucking joke? If I'm talking about oranges, I shouldn't have to explain how gravity works or why the Earth is round. I hope you can play catch up.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 7:21

>>21
You completely missed the point in your stupid, Unix-addled ego trip. Netflix and traditional media (who owns the ISP's) are direct competitors. Netflix used to advocate for net neutrality when ISP's decided to throttle their traffic, and then Netflix paid the ISP Tariff and now lobbies for the same thing they once protested against. I'm not denying that Netflix and Hollywood share similarities with one another--they're in the same fucking market of course they're similar to eachother, idiot, you'd have to be a twelve-year-old not to see the parallels--but, again, they're competitors. And they provide their services through two totally different mediums. They're butting heads because Hollywood is desperately clinging to the old model of distribution--part of the reason why American ISP's are behaving the way they are.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 8:29

>>23
I believe you have this place confused for a interest Facebook group. I largely don't bother with the bread and circuses that is Netflix. Hell, arguing with an asshole like you on /lounge/ is a better use of my time than watching Netflix.

>>24
Netflix used to advocate for net neutrality when ISP's decided to throttle their traffic, and then Netflix paid the ISP Tariff and now lobbies for the same thing they once protested against.
They're butting heads because Hollywood is desperately clinging to the old model of distribution--part of the reason why American ISP's are behaving the way they are.
Sounds like a manufactured controversy. Defrauding your customers with intentionally poor services is already against the law.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 8:36

>>25
Sorry about being angry out you. I meant to write "young people", but I guess I had a stroke at the "you" part and didn't realize it.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 8:39

>>52
Sounds like a manufactured controversy.
Sure, but does that warrant not distinguishing Netflix with Hollywood?
Defrauding your customers with intentionally poor services is already against the law.
Also true, but history seems believe that the law doesn't really change the behaviour of Hollywood and ISP's.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 9:09

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 9:10

>>25,28
Government won't help you, but the freemarket will fix it

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 9:12

How the hell did this thread get derailed so badly?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 9:13

>>27
Sure, but does that warrant not distinguishing Netflix with Hollywood?
There's really nothing that Netflix makes that Hollywood couldn't. The only difference is the medium and distribution, as you stated previously.
Also true, but history seems believe that the law doesn't really change the behaviour of Hollywood and ISP's.
There wasn't much of a problem with this prior to the regulations enacted in 2015, now they're used as an engine for shameless rent-seeking. Best to go back to how it was prior to 2015 and if any ISP is up to any kind of chicanery, slap them with a class-action lawsuit.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 9:13

>>30
this is just a sub-argument. it'll get back on track after it's over

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 9:21

>>28
Is that really because of intentional throttling, though? We have shitty Internet in the USA and it's only getting shittier because of tings like this https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2017/11/27/americans-fiber-optic-internet/ this is why I think "Net Neutrality" is largely a bullshit distraction.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 9:42

completely saturated with Wi-Fi
Is this really a good thing? Wi-Fi may be more sinister than we think.....

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 11:32

>>34
You do realize we're on a text board, right? You can say what you think. You don't have to add ellipses to the end of your post to add cinematic suspense. If you have something to say, just say it. Don't use vagueness and name calling just so that you can win an Internet argument.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 11:36

>>33
Well, I'm not so sure as to the point of my own argument, even, but, for the record, that is blatant, artificial throttling, and you'd have to be dull not to accept that--as to the significance of said throttling, well, that's another thing. And, regardless, the poor infrastructure of America is a direct consequence of ISP negligence. And before you say it, I'm not countering your claim that NN is a bullshit distraction--I think the complaints are the kind of infuriating babble you hear Redditors wax on about right before they stream a film on Netflix--but your premise strikes me as almost intentionally ignorant, and I'm calling you out for that, because you're never going to get anywhere rehashing the same stupid argument against blatant truth.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-05 23:17

>>36
And, regardless, the poor infrastructure of America is a direct consequence of ISP negligence.
Except the article I posted in >>33 is the result of government negligence (or incompetence). $400 billion of taxpayer money wasted on fiber optic Internet that never materialized. ISPs had nothing to do with that. As for throttling, perhaps ISPs are doing that not out of malicious intent, but because high bandwidth video streaming services like Netflix are taking a toll on the rest of the ISPs networks because of the shitty infrastructure? Like the image posted in >>28 , not all ISPs are doing this, and that would make sense because of that. Your argument would hold water if state-of-the-art fiber optic were uniformly installed throughout the entire country, and if the USA had average Internet speeds on par with Japan's and South Korea's.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-06 7:11

>>35
ellipses
Woah, didn't realize I was posting with the Queen of England.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-06 7:25

>>38
What the hell are you even talking about?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-06 7:28

>>37
Okay, let me revise it, then. The poor infrastructure of America is a consequence of the product of governmental negligence and ISP greed.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-06 8:08

>>39
Are you or are you not pretending to be the Queen of England?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-06 8:26

>>41
Do you have brain damage?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-06 14:26

>>42
Don't you hate when people respond to a question with another question?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-06 15:21

>>43
Do I? I might have to be retarded to get upset over something so petty.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-06 21:43

>>44
Sure seems that way, "my Queen".

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