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Elemental Rights

Name: Anonymous 2017-03-18 2:41

Naive Survivalism - Food Water Shelter Heat(Fire) Clothing
Missing - Earth(Ground / Space), Air

Secondary - Electricity, Currency, Internet(+computational device)

The universal basic income is a nice start, but a universal basic supply / providence of the above would be better

Name: Anonymous 2017-03-18 11:28

>>1
>Food
So you prefer government rations to freely spending currency?
The idea of basic income is purchasing the things you need, not getting into full communism with food rations and state housing.
UBI is essentially a capitalist stopgap measure to prevent civil unrest when robotics and automation eliminate the need for working class(which powers the economy at large by spending the UBI at things).

Name: Anonymous 2017-03-19 3:53

>>2
I prefer something to nothing, food stamps and some money would be nice.. like it really matters whether it's money or stamps when you're hungry

Half the trouble with money is it is used for everything, so you give a person money for W,X,Y,Z and there's the constant push to spend it on advertisement J instead, plus the price of X and Y go up

Name: Anonymous 2017-03-19 8:10

>>3
It matters. Food stamps limit your choices and vendors.
Money gives you freedom to pick the food and products you like.
Rations, food stamps, quotas, norms and central planning rob you of your free will to choose. Its unnatural and treats people like average robots that need X food particles to function.

Name: Anonymous 2017-03-19 9:27

>>4
That might be more a matter of implementation, you could treat a stamp as a blankish cheque (upto the value of say 5/10/20$ denom) that the shop redeems through the gov at full value
Its unnatural and treats people like average robots that need X food particles to function.
There's no reason to force everyone to use them or even accept them as payment, and granted people eat differing amounts, but there is some minimum X food that people do generally need, just like governments require x% of gdp

Name: Anonymous 2017-03-19 9:32

Gosh, can they ever remind us of what they require

Name: Anonymous 2017-03-19 9:47

You'd be forgiven for thinking the government and the economy are two shiny machines locked in someones basement, and at least one is consuming quite a lot of oil somehow

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