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The anti-patent patent

Name: Anonymous 2016-10-24 1:26

Here we describe a novel method for the prevention of the destructive and ultimately harmful practice of patenting of all possible small fragments of software.
The invention requires #1 an instruction set (including all derivative works) covered by the a.p.p and not encumbered by other weaker / less potent anti-patent (if at all) patents.
Hereby all software based/implemented on the a.p.p instruction set shall be free from external patents applying to similar software on different instruction sets (as per the basis of patenting allows), and shall also be free of patents itself.

Name: Anonymous 2016-10-24 4:35

Patents should not be enforceable unless you are actively developing/selling/making use of the idea.

Name: Anonymous 2016-10-24 19:11

>>2
Nice, how do we implement these vague notions

Name: Anonymous 2016-10-24 21:08

>>3
Licensing!

Name: Anonymous 2016-10-24 21:15

>>3
Nothing vague about it. You are either making use of a patent or you have no right to enforce it.

Name: Anonymous 2016-10-24 22:48

So what is wrong with killing Russians? Do you need a patent to kill Russian scum, who came on Ukrainian land?

Name: Anonymous 2016-10-25 1:41

>>6
Nobody cares. Go beg NATO for help, you Ukrainian faggot.

Name: Anonymous 2016-10-25 6:24

this thread is patently absurd

Name: Anonymous 2016-10-25 8:45

Can you patent leather?

Name: Anonymous 2016-10-25 11:53

>>9
No, I cannot.

Name: Anonymous 2016-10-25 15:51

>>10
Can you patent dubs?

Name: Anonymous 2016-10-25 16:44

>>7

I care. So please die, russian pig.

Name: Anonymous 2016-10-30 21:47

>>1
stop drinking Stallman's toe cheese flavored koolaid.

software patents are VERY difficult to obtain and equally difficult to sue with. the few legit ones actually protect the original creators rights. just because property is in a more abstract form doesn't make it any less worthy of property rights.

if you hate patents, stay logically consistent and let me move into your house without paying rent.

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-01 8:10

>>13
There are no legitimate patents that involve computer software. Every single patent that patents the idea of a computer program are inherently illegitimate. Ideas in abstract form is not a legitimate form of property right. If you want your idea to be secret, then you should not make the idea public. Examples of secrets include the recipe to Coca Cola, the KFC original recipe chicken and the recipe to Oreo cookies. Nobody knows the exact recipes for these popular food items.

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-01 12:09

>>14
There are no legitimate patents that involve computer software
There are no legitimate patents at all.

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-01 15:02

>>15
Would you bother spending years doing research and medical trials to develop new medication if someone could just come out with a generic version as soon as you're done?

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-01 16:20

>>14
So, less open source shit is what you're asking for. Being issued a patent requires disclosure of how it operates. Without it, things would become black boxes with ten layers of encryption to hide how it works.

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-01 16:57

>>16
Same could happen for software as well.

And no, I would not mind. After all it would be known that I am the one who invented it.

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-01 17:36

>>16
Why not? Do you advance science just for your own economical good?

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-01 18:13

>>18,19
Are you claiming you would spend millions to use humans as guinea pigs and risk being sued exclusively for the benefit of mankind with no recompense?

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-01 18:51

>>14
Ideas in abstract form is not a legitimate form of property right.

Property is basically the fruit of labor. You have to work hard/smart to have enough money to buy a house. In the same way you have to work hard/smart to create some novel software patent.

If you want your idea to be secret, then you should not make the idea public.

One day technology will progress enough (e.g., nanobots) so that the recipes for Coca-Cola and KFC will be discovered and posted online. Coca-Cola and KFC will now have to rely on patents and lawsuits to protect their hard-earned recipes.

However computer programs are already known because of decompilers. They need patents right now.

Also, for you to recommend hiding proprietary IP and also recommend shutting down software patents is a bit of cognitive dissonance.

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-01 20:09

>>16
That would lead to lower prices for the consumer due to competition, and technology would propagate faster to the point where it can benefit the common man.

>>17
That's how things are already. The information which becomes public through the process of applying for a software patent is less than can be obtained by looking at the machine code.

>>20
Why would they risk being sued? If use of a product is considered risky by the inventor, they could offer it to the public with no warranty. This is already how most freeware is distributed, they explicitly refuse to take responsibility if the program formats your hard drive.

>>21
In the same way you have to work hard/smart to create some novel software patent.
Placing restrictions on redistribution of software is creating artificial scarcity. Once software is created, there is no significant cost to reproducing it.

However computer programs are already known because of decompilers. They need patents right now.
Reverse-engineering is already illegal. Anyone who's willing to decompile software isn't going to be stopped by a patent.

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-01 20:35

>>22
That would lead to lower prices for the consumer due to competition, and technology would propagate faster to the point where it can benefit the common man.
No it would not. Not everyone can actually do important research or even program very well. And those that can need to make a career out of it, meaning there has to be some economic incentive. The stupid masses aren't going to do that in their spare time.

Seriously, this is perhaps the dumbest thing in your post. The entirety of human progress has been driven by ever increasing specialization.

Or perhaps you just don't understand economics. If it were possible for some venture capitalist to just steal the research of some competitor, they would. They they are at an advantage, because they get to reap the reward without having to have paid for research and development.

That's how things are already. The information which becomes public through the process of applying for a software patent is less than can be obtained by looking at the machine code.
That's true, but software patents don't stop looking at machine code. You can go get a patented part off a car and take it apart, and document everything about it. The only thing you can't do is make it yourself and give it away or sell it. That gives legal protection against patent violations from the largest offenders, the ones with money. You are confusing this with licensing terms.

Why would they risk being sued? If use of a product is considered risky by the inventor, they could offer it to the public with no warranty. This is already how most freeware is distributed, they explicitly refuse to take responsibility if the program formats your hard drive.
That won't actually work you know. No one is going to bother to sue when Advanced Windows File Renamer 2000 deletes all their furry porn, but in general, you cannot just disavow responsibility like that. You can't stick a "may contain poison" sticker on bags of candy and hand them out to tricker-treaters, then not get punished for serial murder when a bunch of people die.

Placing restrictions on redistribution of software is creating artificial scarcity. Once software is created, there is no significant cost to reproducing it.
Irrelevant. The cost of creating software is still very high and having legal protection to limit reproduction means that the cost can be spread across a wider base, lowering prices overall. It doesn't matter that a few freeloaders don't want to pay pirate it, but there must be some penalty or the economics of making software doesn't work. And strangely enough, a certain fat and lazy autist who has never had a real job in his life, instead sucking off the MIT teat, doesn't realize that most people have to work in order to eat and don't just get things handed to them on a silver platter.

Reverse-engineering is already illegal. Anyone who's willing to decompile software isn't going to be stopped by a patent.
The reason why more companies don't just decompile their competitors' product is exactly because it violates copyright. There is nothing illegal about reverse engineering, unless it violates the licensing agreement, and that is a tort, not a crime.

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-01 21:13

>>22
Nice meme, d00d.

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-01 21:28

>>23
No it would not. Not everyone can actually do important research or even program very well.
So then why are patents needed, if most people don't have the skill to copy your work?

The cost of creating software is still very high and having legal protection to limit reproduction means that the cost can be spread across a wider base
But the income received is not directly tied to the programmer's labor. The income is based on the number of units sold, more than the amount of labor done by the programmer. This is contrast to manufacturing, where substantial labor must be done per unit. Basically, in this case, the income is arbitrary, it's equivalent to the government saying "we need more mothers, so we'll charge taxes to the population and pay a stipend to mothers".

The reason why more companies don't just decompile their competitors' product is exactly because it violates copyright.
Copyright isn't the same as a patent.

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-02 8:48

>>17
Being issued a patent requires disclosure of how it works but in the case of computer software, there is never any reference to the full source code of the working implementation of the software. How it works in practise today is that description of how the software works is either so abstract that it has no meaning or it's so trivial that even a student who is training in programming could figure out how to achieve it. This is all proposing that computer programming is not a form of mathematics which is a false proposition.

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-08 1:58

if you hate patents, stay logically consistent and let me move into your house without paying rent.

lol, but you don't even prescribe to these views. Also, define rent, are you female? it's technically not my house

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-08 2:04

We could try building machines/products that create value by design/operation rather than machines that create value by being sold?

Name: Anonymous 2016-11-08 14:21

>>28
Or we could try a two-sided transaction, where both sides get value from the trade? That way you get the benefits of specialization and the economy of scale from mass production.

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