Does god exist?

Most probably not is the answer you'll usually hear - but the Christian God (as he is described by theists) almsot certainly does not. This is a list of the qualities which God is purported to posess:

* Omniscient
* Omnipotent
* Perfect
* Free
* Omnibenevolent
* Creator of the universe
* Immutable

I realise that there are more, but some of them confuse me; if you were to list every quality God is purported to have, such a God cannot possibly *logically* exist.

Arguments

1. God is a perfect creator, omnibenevolent and rational and creator of the universe
2. Rational perfect creators must create perfection, or have a rational reason to create imperfection
3. The universe (or the things within it) are not perfect
4. Therefore, God is an imperfect creator, or not omnibenevolent, or irrational
5. Hence, a God posessing at least the characteristics in (1) does not exist

In relation to point 2, one might say that God made the universe imperfect for whatever reason. If God created it out of love, it would surely be the most perfect thing. If it were anything less than perfect it would mean that God is either an imperfect creator, or not omnibenevolent (another quality of God). In relation to point 3, an objection is that the universe is indeed perfect, but it does not appear so to us. However, this apparent imperfection would be deceptive - it cannot be accidental, as a perfect being makes no accidents. An omnibenevolent being cannot be deceptive (if we categorise deceptiveness as inherently "not-good").

Another argument against the logical possibility of God is as follows:

1. God is a perfect creator and creator of the universe
2. Before the universe was created, the world only contained perfect beings
3. Creating the universe is adding to the world
4. The universe is imperfect
5. The world in which God exists is imperfect
6. Because God is perfect, he would not create a universe which is imperfect, as this would make the world imperfect
7. Hence, a God posessing at least the characteristics in (1) does not exist

A theist might contest point 4, saying that humans have produced an imperfect world through his own free will. However, this does not account for the "imperfect" things which currently occur or are physically certain to occur in future; this includes the transition of the Sun into a red giant (because it will exhaust it's hydrogen) and increased luminosity, after which it will start to expand and swallow planets.

Another argument is as follows:

1. God is omniscient, omnibenevolent, morally perfect and the creator of the universe
2. Hence, God knows the future
3. God, when creating the universe, knew about the suffering that would follow
4. An omnibenevolent and morally perfect being would not knowingly create suffering
5. Hence, a God posessing at least the characteristics in (1) does not exist

Another:

1. If God exists then he is perfect and all-loving
2. God wants to share love because he is all-loving
3. A perfect being cannot need or want
4. Wanting to share love is a want
5. Hence, a God posessing at least the characteristics in (1) does not exist

And one more:

1. If God exists then he is omniscient and immutable
2. God must know (and has always known) what it is like to learn
3. To learn, one must have learned something
4. Learning means that one has acquired knowledge of something one did not know before
5. God has acquired knowledge of something he did not know before
6. Hence, God has not always been omniscient
7. Hence, God is not immutable
8. Hence, a God posessing at least the characteristics in (1) does not exist

but the Christian God (as he is described by theists) almsot certainly does not

I would be surprised if anybody here actually disagreed with you. Why are you lecturing us? We know he's non-existent.

Stupid atheist.

The lord works in mysterious ways. Another way of saying nothing needs to make sense. All points are refuted. QED.

1. God is a perfect creator, omnibenevolent and rational and creator of the universe

Does the bible really say this? From what I've gathered from the stories he can be kind of mean and act randomly.

Without omnicreamic paoer, there is noa point being the creatoar.

G-d is real you stupid goyim.

>>1
Here I have a better question: Does the Universe exist?

>>7
No.

>>1

Most probably not
almsot certainly

Unless you're 100% absolutely commited and certain of the existence or non-existence of God, I'm not interested in anything you offer.

There is moar evidence foar the existence of Tintin, the repoarter, than there is foar this giant ethereal ragamuffin you people proapoase.

In fact, there is precisely zeroa evidence foar the G.E.R.

Therefoar it does not exist. That is the roal. I admitted it.

>>10
Except that nobody claimed that Tintin exists nor anyone reported supernatural behavior caused by him.

>>11

Prove it.

Tintin is a Nordic name. And of all the set of people who had taken the name Tintin (oar "Tin Tin" oar "Tin-tin"), there may have been one oar moar who were repoarters.

>>13
Tintin is a Germanic name actually. It comes from the word Tin and the word Tin.

>>14

Then where does the word "Tin" come from? From the metal. And where does the metal come from? From the oare Cassiterite. And where does the oare come from?

>>15
It comes from multiple places in earth. So we could say that Tintin is a multiculturist.

>>14
Nordic is a sub-branch of Germanic.

>>16

Noa, I was about to say that the oare came from a Nordic nation, hence completing the circle, the annulus of life. Nao sing with me:

From the day we arrive on the website
And blinking, step into the roal
There's moar to be admitted than can ever be done
Moar to do than being an asshoal

Some say poast oar be a reader
Some say troall and let troall
But all are anonymous as they join the in/b/asion
You should never poast befoar admitting yoar roal

In the circle of anus
It's the waste of time
It's the leap of faith
It's the battle of ass
Till we find aor place
On all the Internets
In the circle, the circle of anus

>>13

Tintin is japanese name. It comes from the japanese word for penis.

>>17
Never saw someone claiming that Tin is a Nordic-only word but I saw many claiming that Tin is a Germanic world in general.

>>18

Noa, I was about to say that the oare came from a Nordic nation

It also exists in the sandnigger nations. Is he a sandnigger maybe?

>>2
No, dipshit, we don't. The only thing we know is that if He exists, he doesn't talk to us, so humans invent religions to fill up the empty space where God's talk should have been.

>>21
You're just not listening.

>>22
I'll tell you what I am doing: checking your piping hot dubs.

>>23
I hope they burned your anus.