How many Christians are here?

I am a Christian. However, I don't attend church, because I'm not very social. On the other hand I keep God close to my heart. I am a sinner, and my heart is full of regrets. I feel that every day I find a new way to spit on all I have been given and I just can't turn back some things. So I feel the need for salvation. I believe Jesus came to earth to show us the dangers of ``amor sui', and is our savior. I certainly accept him as my savior.

Is anyone else here a Christian? I imagine most of you are atheists, agnostics or of other religions. This is ok with me, as I understand it is what is fashionable amongst young people these days. However, I'm always happy when I meet a fellow Christian in an unexpected place :)

>>76
hippie

http://www.templeos.org/

>>79
Ends justify the means justice systems aren't highly regarded for a reason.

>>79
Besides, from a utilitarian perspective the best ends would be achieved by making abortion legal for doctors to perform, but with a 2 year prison sentence and $200,000 fine enforcable by wage garnish to both biological parents. Furhtermore the prisons the aborters would be sent to should be run as private companies, essentially making the prisoners slave laborers. This would be beneficial to everyone :)

>>83
Abortion isn't an issue that is effectively met with the justice system, as making it illegal results in women accidentally killing themselves. See >>80 if you want to have a world with no abortion and no death from crude abortions. Fucking cunt. I'm fucking pissed off now. The state doesn't exist to enforce your fucking arbitrary moral code. Why don't you move to Iran or some shit.

>>84
Legal with penalties is still illegal. Adding negative consequences to the action pushes it into the black market, which is not a fucking safe place for medical procedures. You fucking cunt. I hope you succeed in making abortion illegal in your country and your daughter dies from a failed self induced abortion.

Things would be better if they sterilized 90% of people as they were born, at random.

Also christian-kun hasn't answered >>43 properly.

>>85
So what?

You kill a person and you get 2 years and a fine. Be happy its not eye for an eye.

Are you a child? Do you think that life is a game? Do you think others exist as just objects? play things?

You're not even talking about abortion anymore, you've regressed into some infantile rebellion.

Actions have consequences. There are correct actions and there are incorrect actions. Not all actions are the same.

What do you propose? You let people build deathtrap elevators without consequences? You let people take this and that and drive around without consequences? You let people run people over without consequences? OH IT WAS JUST AN ACCIDENT OH WE DIDNT MEAN TO BOO HOO?

The question is then do you want to live in a society where fucking around like apes and then cutting eachother up to kill the unborn is considered normal? That it should be coddled? ``oh of course these things just happen don't worry the state will pay for it, here's a support group. Come back any time''. That mudering the unborn should be seen as less horrific than even simple tort? People get heavy fines for having an uneven driveway during a yard sale, yet killing a baby should be seen as no different from forgetting to brush your teeth and needing a tooth pulled?

And you don't need to get angry and stomp your feet like a child and write a bunch of swear words. Your view is what is popular these days. Very popular. You have no real enemy in religious groups (except maybe the Ahmeds) because religion is dying. Many Christians vote yes on abotion anyway (likewise some non-religious people vote no on abortion). There is no danger of abortion becoming any less legal, if anything subsidies towards it will grow. You have nothing to fear. You won. Understand? You won. It is the way you want it to be and it is not going to change. Feel secure in this. You don't have to get all bothered.

>>85
If we take this cold-hearted view towards life, then the woman aborting her baby has already proven worthless, her child might not be.

>>84
What's with the emote you condescending bastard.

>>85
Stupid liberal nutcase kill yourself since that's all you dream of doing you fuckin emotional childish pussy.

I told Ted Bundy I’m not afraid of him and he whimpered like the faggot he is. I took him and took him with ease. You think you're cold, motherfucker? Try me.

>>87

You kill a person and you get 2 years and a fine. Be happy its not eye for an eye.

Because prison totally reforms people which is why the relapse rate is practically null in every lock-away-and-forget penitentiary system (which is practically all of them), right? Right?

Actions have consequences. There are correct actions and there are incorrect actions. Not all actions are the same.

And some actions have artificial consequences, that is, consequences that are imposed by other people.

What do you propose?

Not treating people who break the law as no longer being human, eliminating the term and idea of `punishment' from criminology, and finally seeing the despicable places you call `prisons' for what they really are -- the hateful revenge of the 13th century France mob, with somewhat less blood and gutting (and it doesn't really count when the prisoners do it to each other because they totally deserve it anyway, right?).

You let people build deathtrap elevators without consequences?

Because throwing the said people in prison and making sure they never get a qualified job afterwards will totally fix the damage done to the victims and their families and friends, and will [i]obviously[/i] not lead them to a life of (even more serious) crime.

You let people take this and that and drive around without consequences?

Of course not, you throw them in prison where they can get addicted to even more of those things. Maybe if they get beat up sufficiently by other prisoners they'll suffer some injury preventing them from ever driving again; that oughta reduce the relapse rate.

You let people run people over without consequences? OH IT WAS JUST AN ACCIDENT OH WE DIDNT MEAN TO BOO HOO?

You would put the person behind the wheel in a legitimate car accident in prison, wouldn't you? That is fucking sick.

The question is then do you want to live in a society where fucking around like apes and then cutting eachother up to kill the unborn is considered normal?

If the said ``unborn'' are in the 6th week or earlier, then yes, yes I would.

>>89
Kill yourself, conservative shithead.

>>87

You kill a person and you get 2 years and a fine. Be happy its not eye for an eye.

Again, you are blurring the line between enforcement of moral code from the bible and the role of the state. I assume you live in a secular country. If you don't like it, move to iran or go back in time to medieval europe. Although Russia is on the rise. Maybe you would like it there.

Are you a child? Do you think that life is a game? Do you think others exist as just objects? play things?

I don't understand the purpose of this question.

You're not even talking about abortion anymore, you've regressed into some infantile rebellion.

Consequences of abortion being illegal, having nothing to do with abortion? You are all alike. Do the right thing, and have no idea what you are actually doing.

Actions have consequences. There are correct actions and there are incorrect actions. Not all actions are the same.

What is the definition of correct and incorrect? For every situation does there exist an action that is completely correct? Or just more correct than the others?

What do you propose? You let people build deathtrap elevators without consequences?

The construction of elevators can be regulated to ensure safety at no cost of human life or suffering.

You let people take this and that and drive around without consequences?

Substance abuse and driving can be detected and treated. Persons lost can be rehabilitated, and become functioning members of society. This can be done without causing women to kill themselves.

You let people run people over without consequences? OH IT WAS JUST AN ACCIDENT OH WE DIDNT MEAN TO BOO HOO?

There are consequences for driving unsafely. These consequences can be enforced without causing women to kill themselves.

The question is then do you want to live in a society where fucking around like apes and then cutting eachother up to kill the unborn is considered normal?

Violence against one another can be dealt with by the justice system without causing women to kill themselves. Punishing the killing of the unborn causes women to kill themselves.

That it should be coddled? ``oh of course these things just happen don't worry the state will pay for it, here's a support group. Come back any time''. That mudering the unborn should be seen as less horrific than even simple tort? People get heavy fines for having an uneven driveway during a yard sale, yet killing a baby should be seen as no different from forgetting to brush your teeth and needing a tooth pulled?

I'd rather have a dead fetus than a dead woman along with her dead fetus. It's a simple calculation. Again, if you want a society with no abortion, convince each member of the society to not get abortions. You wont succeed any other way.

>>88
The child will not survive if an abortion is attempted. The gambled life is the women. Who are you to judge what a women deserves to die for? What about yourself? Your disregard for the life of a ``sinner'' could be considered a sin.

>>89
Because only liberals care about women's rights. Wait, you're right. Shit.

>>92
Penalizing actions does not cause anyone to take them. In fact it necessarily has the opposite effect.

If the subjective cost to a would-be mother of having a child is lower than the subjective cost of abortion then the mother would have the child (by definition of terms!). My proposition raises the cost of abortion for every non psychopath.

Now, the guy who wants to continue making unsafe elevators can just as easily say: ``Look if you guys make it illegal to make unsafe elevators I'll just have to turn to the black market, and then the elevator will really be unsafe, so you shouldn't impose any legal penalties for whatever kind of elevator I want to make.''

But his threatening consequent is not what happens in the real world. In the real world he complies, because there is
1. Some legal thing in place that raises the cost of constructing a bad elevator.
2. The necessary enforcement to assure illegal elevators are not constructed.

Note, without 2. there would be illegal elevators, as the law would only be a `guideline' or `recommended best practice' (blah blah libertarian argument that the market takes care of it yes sometimes, maybe it works better idk)

Now, if 1. and 2. apply to abortions, the amount of abortions will [i]quantitatively[/i] decrease.

Furthermore, in both the elevator and abortion case, doing the illegal thing and getting away with it will have disastrous consequences: dead people in an elevator and a dead mother.

Again, if you want a society with no abortion, convince each member of the society to not get abortions. You wont succeed any other way.

You may or may not be surprised that I completely agree with you. I personally don't view the state as my right arm. I think doing so would be wrong. Doesn't mean I have to keep my mouth shut when people say incorrect things (e.g. abortion is ok, penalizing abortion would lead to more death etc.).

The child will not survive if an abortion is attempted. The gambled life is the women. Who are you to judge what a women deserves to die for? What about yourself? Your disregard for the life of a ``sinner'' could be considered a sin.

Do I also disregard the life of those who enjoy extreme sports and die during these dangerous recreational activities? Why hold me responsible to other people's actions? Wherefore is my role in a woman's selfishness, when her selifshness would risk her own life instead of nurture another's? If a woman takes her own life to kill her babies this is a tragedy. Telling me I disregard life cause I'd rather she have the baby and they both live is stupid.

2. The necessary enforcement to assure illegal elevators are not constructed.

2. fails for abortion because they can be done within the privacy of a home. Or a street alley. Or a women by herself in the bathroom. You can't stop people from doing it to themselves, but you can get doctors working in the black market with sting operations. But then the lost customers will just do it themselves, which is even worse.

You may or may not be surprised that I completely agree with you. I personally don't view the state as my right arm. I think doing so would be wrong. Doesn't mean I have to keep my mouth shut when people say incorrect things (e.g. abortion is ok, penalizing abortion would lead to more death etc.).

I'm not surprised. This means that we can be friends :). Despite having different viewpoints on this controversial issue, we both respect the rights of others to come to their own conclusions on it. I don't wish the state to oppress your view and you don't wish the state to oppress me for mine.

Telling me I disregard life cause I'd rather she have the baby and they both live is stupid.

I got the wrong impression on that sentence. Too many ``christians'' say both the woman and the doctor deserve to die, send death threats, bomb clinics, etc.

JUST KILL ALL THE JEWS OR SOMETHING, THIS ARGUMENT HAS GONE DOWN THE SHITTER

The fuck does this have to do with women's rights? The point is that the little shit doesn't have any rights because it does not qualify as `human life'. What's next, a pro-life movement for pimples?

In a way this thread makes me happy because it's proof that this board actually has some life flowing through its veins.

>>97
Does it ever. But now everyone's ignoring the /prog/ side. So I'm going to go and post some questions about clang. That ought to restore the natural balance.

Daily reminder that National Socialist Germany was a Christian nation, and yet America sided with the godless communists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mkVZu_eUUU

>>99
The Nazi Germany believed in Judaism 2.0? What the fuck!

>>99
Daily reminder that people will always use Christianity to advance political ideals even though Christianity teaches Christians to only care about politics in so much as they can still practice their Christianity (otherwise you just obey the laws you have to).

Daily reminder that JESUS WAS A JEW WHO GOT HIS PENIS MUTILATED

>>100
No, 99 appears to have made that up. The Christians got rounded up and oppressed to varying degrees as well. I would go and get proof but I don't really want to shit up my search history with "Hitler's religion" and all that shit.

>>101
Thanks.

>>100

Judaism 2.0

You do realize that historically there has always been animosity between Christianity and Judaism, right? Since Jesus Christ died on the cross because he was disliked by the jewish and all. So it's not surprising in the slightest.

>>104
Christianity is the western world's interpretation of Jesus' interpretation of Judaism.

>>105
That's one hell of an oversimplification.

>>102

A horny rabbi touched Jesus's wiener when he was young that's why he made christianity!!

I'll bite your foreskin off
come here you little nigger

>>108
white people are genetic trash
kill yourself

>>109

Racist!

>>110
Racism is prejudice + privilege. Non-white people have no privilege, therefore they cannot be racist, you whiny little piece of genetic trash.

>>111
That's the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard. Outside of the backwards and dying United States of America this is seen as such a ludicrous view that anyone who would utter it would be quickly ostracized by society.

>>111
Does that mean I can call you a nigger if I'm a beaner?

I'm a male human, by the way. I have the male privilege and the human privilege. That's if you don't count able privilege, non-mentally-retarded privilege, has-black-hair privilege, can-count-to-10 privilege, can-buy-cheap-food privilege, has-bed privilege, can-breath-through-both-nostrils privilege, can-type-with-a-computer-keyboard privilege, Scheme privilege, upper education privilege, has-a-foreskin privilege, literate (as in ``can read and write'') privilege, not-an-aboriginal-community privilege, heterosexual privilege, has-five-fingers privilege, can-scroll-a-scroll-bar-without-having-a-seizure-privilege, cis privilege, non-otherkind privilege, posts-on-/prog/ privilege, STEM privilege, not-being-white-but-not-being-an-indian privilege, can-get-semantic-satiation-from-writing-privilege-a-lot-without-having-my-dick-fall-off privilege, can-post-on-/lounge/ privilege, not-reddit privilege, gentile privilege and many others I could be forgetting right now.

But hey, I'm not white, thus granting me the ability to call everyone who doesn't like me a inracist assbred whitefucker genetic trash or whatever you call the meanies who hurt your feelings.

GO BACK TO TUMBLR KUDASAI

Poe's law is strong in here.

>>112-113 YHBT YHL HAND

>>114
;_; why are you so mean troll-san?

>>113

beaner
has-a-foreskin

Disgusting. Absolutely DISGUSTING

Also don't forget your virgin-privilege you disgusting fucking spic beaner or whatever south american rain forest monkey you are, fucking savage

>>116
I thought virgins were the ones bitching about non-virgin privilege? Who in their right mind considers virgins privileged scum?

What the hell do those two things in your quote have to do with each other? Sure, being a beaner is disgusting. Did the Jews invade the Amazonian rainforest of niggerkuluku, though? I still have my corn fields and my (uncut) pet monkey; nobody has ever tried to forcefully circumcise us.

In case you get turned on by sucking baby penises: As-Shalom Salamihashem, Mohammed Bernstein. I might be a barbarian living in a jungle but you are a nigger kike living in a desert.

IHBT, but this is /lounge/ and I have nothing else to do

>>117
Why are you so angry?

>>117
nigger

>>118
Who said I was angry?

>>119
*African-American nigger