How many Christians are here?

I am a Christian. However, I don't attend church, because I'm not very social. On the other hand I keep God close to my heart. I am a sinner, and my heart is full of regrets. I feel that every day I find a new way to spit on all I have been given and I just can't turn back some things. So I feel the need for salvation. I believe Jesus came to earth to show us the dangers of ``amor sui', and is our savior. I certainly accept him as my savior.

Is anyone else here a Christian? I imagine most of you are atheists, agnostics or of other religions. This is ok with me, as I understand it is what is fashionable amongst young people these days. However, I'm always happy when I meet a fellow Christian in an unexpected place :)

>>87

You kill a person and you get 2 years and a fine. Be happy its not eye for an eye.

Again, you are blurring the line between enforcement of moral code from the bible and the role of the state. I assume you live in a secular country. If you don't like it, move to iran or go back in time to medieval europe. Although Russia is on the rise. Maybe you would like it there.

Are you a child? Do you think that life is a game? Do you think others exist as just objects? play things?

I don't understand the purpose of this question.

You're not even talking about abortion anymore, you've regressed into some infantile rebellion.

Consequences of abortion being illegal, having nothing to do with abortion? You are all alike. Do the right thing, and have no idea what you are actually doing.

Actions have consequences. There are correct actions and there are incorrect actions. Not all actions are the same.

What is the definition of correct and incorrect? For every situation does there exist an action that is completely correct? Or just more correct than the others?

What do you propose? You let people build deathtrap elevators without consequences?

The construction of elevators can be regulated to ensure safety at no cost of human life or suffering.

You let people take this and that and drive around without consequences?

Substance abuse and driving can be detected and treated. Persons lost can be rehabilitated, and become functioning members of society. This can be done without causing women to kill themselves.

You let people run people over without consequences? OH IT WAS JUST AN ACCIDENT OH WE DIDNT MEAN TO BOO HOO?

There are consequences for driving unsafely. These consequences can be enforced without causing women to kill themselves.

The question is then do you want to live in a society where fucking around like apes and then cutting eachother up to kill the unborn is considered normal?

Violence against one another can be dealt with by the justice system without causing women to kill themselves. Punishing the killing of the unborn causes women to kill themselves.

That it should be coddled? ``oh of course these things just happen don't worry the state will pay for it, here's a support group. Come back any time''. That mudering the unborn should be seen as less horrific than even simple tort? People get heavy fines for having an uneven driveway during a yard sale, yet killing a baby should be seen as no different from forgetting to brush your teeth and needing a tooth pulled?

I'd rather have a dead fetus than a dead woman along with her dead fetus. It's a simple calculation. Again, if you want a society with no abortion, convince each member of the society to not get abortions. You wont succeed any other way.

>>88
The child will not survive if an abortion is attempted. The gambled life is the women. Who are you to judge what a women deserves to die for? What about yourself? Your disregard for the life of a ``sinner'' could be considered a sin.

>>89
Because only liberals care about women's rights. Wait, you're right. Shit.