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Loneliness in modern life

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 8:22

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/16/modern-life-lonely-isolation-hardwired-lives
I'm personally a recluse, so maybe it's not in my place to judge, as, although I'm employed, I'll go months without human contact, but it seems like loneliness is a plague in modern life, and it seems like every ``innovation'' in technology and social institutions makes it worse.

As more libraries are eliminated, people have less excuses to get out and do something positive in their lives. Even as a youth, I found it easier to get my hands on porn and drugs than it was to find a means of transport to my city library or museum. Hopefully gyms don't suffer the same fate, since they're the same in principle, although not publicly funded or publicly accessible.

I read an article recently that said that simply having a phone out while talking to another person makes you seem more antisocial. I don't own a smartphone. People tell me about how much smartphones improve their productivity, but I tried one once, and it seemed really inefficient at doing what are otherwise simple tasks on an actual desktop. Perhaps that's the appeal: smartphones are like a dripfeed of stimuli that you can use publicly under the pretense of productivity as a means of wasting your time, and, thus, not interacting with people.

Young people prefer wasting their money taking Uber rides than riding public transit or biking. Long conversations with friends improves your emotional stamina and empathy, and small instances of politeness (e.g. saying ``hello'' to your neighbor) improves your emotional outlook. It's true that you can oftentimes have negative interactions with strangers, and it's not like I think it's a good thing that we have to interact with so many people just to carry on with our daily lives, but, even as a hermit, I still think a modicum of positive social interaction is something that enriches our lives.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 16:27

Archive link: http://archive.is/eUWE3

I have to agree, but the only way to put a stop to this would be to completely abandon modernity, and have civilization roll back a couple centuries, but not many are willing to do that.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 18:43

>>2
Rampant, shallow consumerism isn't modernity by any stretch of the imagination.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 19:22

>>3
It turns out that it is where modernity leads, since it led there. Humanity is out of balance because we are perverting nature. We need to return to hunter gatherer lifestyles of perish. Your choice.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 19:23

*or perish.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 20:11

>>4
If by modernity you mean capitalism, sure. Too bad the choice is, as you purport, one monolithic, inflexible binary and no more nuanced than that.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 22:52

>>6
Just shut the fuck up you sleazy moron.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 22:58

>>7
Okay.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 22:59

>>6
Capitalism isn't an ideologue, it is simply the natural state of human societies and will be expressed differently depending on the underlying national culture that informs the market choices made. Using the word capitalism in a negative sense marks you as a pathetic freak of nature that somehow has a problem with his God-given right to freedom. Wow.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 22:59

>>9
Wow.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 23:01

>>9
Wow.
Why are you so astonished? Are you alright over there?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 23:08

>>8,9,10
Sounding a little buttmad there, reddit-champ.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 23:09

>>12
What, which one of us are you trying to address? Because I think you're quotelinking two people.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 23:35

>>13
Jeepers

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 23:45

>>14
Wowie zowie.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 23:49

>>15
Zoinks.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-23 23:50

>>9
It was just shorthand for American consemerism. I wasn't even criticizing capitalism; I was being painfully sarcastic. Which is why I followed up that remark mocking the view that capitalism as you purport isn't is simple as the other post implied. But I'm sorry I triggered you. Seriously. I clearly set you off, and for that I feel bad. I'm sure you've probably had many a-heated debate with other Internet denizens over petty semantics with no progression (because they don't want to listen). I can understand how that's very scarring, being so insatiably frustrated all the time with no reprieve, since I grew up in a familial situation just like that.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-24 0:27

>>3
But it simply is. The mass consumerism you decry is a part and parcel of modernity, at least since the days of the Phoebus cartel, if not earlier.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-24 8:33

>>18
Well, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with capitalist systems. I know it came off as though I was, but I wasn't dismissing you when you said that American consumerism is a symptom of a capitalism; I was just saying that the two aren't one and the same. For example, China, although overtly Communist, has very primitive capitalist mechanisms in place.

In a similar distinction, consumerism isn't materialism. I was moreso thinking about how people identify themselves by the materials they buy, such as when people (1 in 3 UK citizens between 25-19, one article tells me) buys a Christmas jumper and promptly throws it away after the holiday season. YouTube subscriptions are also a form of consumerism, much in the same way buying a musical record is. I was more concerned about the fallout of that.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-24 19:41

>>19
If there really is meaning beyond consumption, why is the OP indicating that the problems of society stem from lack of access to certain consumable products (transport, libraries and museums)? Consumption of standardized products is so interwoven into society that the argument is over the type of products available for consumption (drugs are lesser than books) rather than whether consumption itself offers salvation. To associate the state of society with "capitalism" or "consumerism" is disingenuous, unless you are willing to say that consumption and commerce are themselves bad. Reality check: they are bad themselves. Standardized products and trade terms suck you of creative energy and make everything shallow and compartmentalized, inevitably leading to the emptiest form of consumption possible. That is why scholars of society are demanding a return to hunter gatherer society, where abundance and freedom offer every human the ability to be happy.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-24 19:47

>>20
Well, aren't you Mr. Doom and Gloom?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-30 2:04

unironically, all of these problems could be solved if it were mandatory for all citizens to trip on psychedelic drugs once a year.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-30 5:01

>>22
Not really. Often you'll find pure niggers are the ones taking hallucinogens every week. Let me ask you, do you want a society like that?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-30 13:35

>>23
What part of ``once'' don't you understand?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-30 13:46

>>24
I have yet to understand the logical strand that led you to believe taking hallucinogenics on an annual basis solves any of the issues posed in this thread.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-30 18:40

>>22
You're not solving the problem, you're just treating it with annual hedonistic activity. The underlying causes will still be there.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-30 19:41

>>23,25-26
psychedelics don't inherently make you feel good, so they're not really hedonistic. they can make you analyze your relationships and see how you affect the other people from their perspective. this can leave you with increased empathy for and connection to the rest of your community or humanity, depending on the dose. if everybody shared in this experience, everyone would feel less compelled to be withdrawn--the "spell" of modern life would be broken. of course these effects wear off after several months, which is why it would need to be repeated annually.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-30 21:23

>>25
I haven't actually read this thread tbh

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-30 22:11

>>27
You must be very young and/or have only done psychedelics a few times. They get boring and empty over time just like all short term pleasures lose their magic when you come to grips with their mechanisms. It is hedonism because it is indulging in something meaningless and temporary rather than working towards true and lasting mental clarity. The human brain has so much potential, it just takes work to reach meaningful conclusions and take control of your emotions. But in a few years when psychedelics just make you feel frazzled and messy, you will have to begin that work or simply turn to the next stage of drugs which is heroin. All I'm saying is easy come easy go, and all drugs betray you eventually. True and lasting realizations can only be developed through methodical inner work.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-31 3:45

>>29
Seems weird to go from a hallucinogenic to a hardcore depressant, but, sure.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-31 5:43

>>29
simply turn to the next stage of drugs which is heroin
lol

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-31 6:08

>>30
It only seems weird because you are young and/or inexperienced. Me? I started out eating mushrooms in the park until the magic was gone, moved onto DMT until that died too, then it was the death spiral of xanax, robutussin and the big H. Now all I do is shoot up, yeah I'm happy but at what cost?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-31 6:12

the cost is like $25 a day btw....not bad but certainly not great. Anybody who says all of my problems have been cured from regular hallucinogen use is a fool or damn liar. If anything, things were better pre-puberty than post-hallucinogens.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-31 6:15

Can confirm

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-31 6:51

>>32
Are you trying to convince me of something?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-31 6:55

>>20
I honestly didn't think about it that way. I guess the more averse parts of consumerism can't be helped. It's nice to pine for better forms of consumption by means of museums, libraries, public transit, but, ultimately, it doesn't matter since the overarching trajectory is the same.

But what about the consumption of media? Like YouTube subscriptions. It basically achieves the same end. We see all the hallmarks of consumer culture and materialism in the way that young people embrace social media. People identify themselves by the feeds they subscribe to much in the way they buy decadent objects. Would posting on this site be a form of consumption?

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-31 8:39

>>32
ah, you seem to be confused. your motivation for taking drugs is to chase a high and escapism. the stated use case for hallucinogens is medicinal and in the spirit of anti-depressants. obviously it's not a cure-all. you clearly have much deeper problems as someone who thinks it's a good idea to inject heroin.

Name: Anonymous 2017-12-31 19:54


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