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Name: Anonymous 2015-06-13 20:32

Finally a man disassembles the immigration myth on rational grounds, even from an anti-racist's point of view:
https://caffeinatedthoughts.com/2015/06/why-immigration-wont-save-swedens-welfare-state/

50 % of non-European immigrants are unemployed. And among those who are employed, people from the US, Australia, Canada, China etc are highly overrepresented. Immigration from countries like Syria, Iraq, Somalia etc is not a net gain for the Swedish economy nor for the Swedish taxpayers – whatever tax money the working immigrants contribute are more than eaten up by the cost of unemployment benefits to the rest. When Swedish politicians talk about increased immigration saving our welfare state, they’re not talking about importing more Americans, they’re talking about people from the Middle east and Northern Africa. And that’s not going to happen.

Even without this high unemployment rate, it still wouldn’t work: Immigrants too will get old eventually and require health care, pensions etc. Therefore, in a best case scenario immigration can only kick the can down the road.

But even if immigrants won’t provide a financial profit to the state, can’t they at least fill a labor shortage by doing the jobs that Swedes don’t want to do?

I’m always shocked when I hear “tolerant” people making this argument – they’re actually suggesting that we import a servant class to do the work we consider ourselves too nice to do. The immigrants in this scenario would have the same role as the Afro-Americans used to have in the US. And they call me racist…

This argument also relies on immigrants not assimilating. Because, think about it, why are immigrants more prone to take these dirty jobs? Because they come from cultures where those jobs are not looked down on, and because they have no other choice since no other jobs are available to them (it’s hard to get a job when you can’t speak the language nor have any significant academic achievements). But if immigrants were to assimilate – adopt the Swedish culture, learn the language, get an education etc – then presumably they would no longer be willing to do these dirty jobs, just like Swedes aren’t willing to do them. Hence, in order for immigrants to fill this role of preventing a labor shortage in the elderly care and elsewhere, the state must prevent them from integrating into society. Importing a servant class and preventing them from taking part of your wider society & culture – that sounds pretty racist to me.

Immigrants are also supposed to save the welfare state by having more children. While Swedes generally stop at 1-2 kids, it’s not uncommon for immigrants from the developing world to have more. Therefore, immigrants help bring us up to the 2.1 birth rate that we need. However, again, this only works as long as the immigrants do not adopt Swedish culture & values. Once – if – they do, there is no reason to believe they would have more children than anyone else. And if they don’t? Well, then we’ll have an ever-growing segment of the population that doesn’t share our values, language or cultural identity. Do I need to explain why that’s a bad thing?

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-13 20:47

I do not think you can be so certain about what you are saying. But I do think you know up where you can rest this sage.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-13 20:48

>>2
Certain about what, sage-faggot?

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-13 20:59

very well said OP

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-13 21:11

>>3
It's not so bad for immigrants to do dirty jobs because they are used to dirt and have more immunity than a Westerner.

As for pensions, they would also need a lot less than a Westerner because they are used to surviving on scraps and crumbs.

Looked at logically, it would appear that supplanting Westerners with immigrants entirely would be the best move - if this doesn't happen one can see the West collapsing from laziness and entitlement within a decade.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-13 21:21

>>5
You didn't get the point, did you? The very fact that you segregate them from a Westerner means you suppose they will never assimilate. But why do you deny them this possibility? Why do you say they should be used to dirt? Why do you say they should be surviving on scraps and crumbs? You are a fucking racist, for one. And you seem to think that immigrants are somehow immune to laziness and entitlement. Guess what, if we were to supplant Westerners with immigrants, then immigrants would turn into the new Westerners complete with entitlement and laziness within a decade.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-13 21:51

>>6
if we were to supplant Westerners with immigrants, then immigrants would turn into the new Westerners complete with entitlement and laziness within a decade

Unlikely, because most immigrants don't like jews and would remove them from their new countries if given half the chance.

Face it, it's more racist to expect immigrants to "assimilate" (another word for dissolve) into your supposedly "superior" culture than to allow them to exist alongside you as a "separate but dirty" cultural entity that does the jobs Westerners have proven themselves too entitled to do.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-13 21:55

Should assimilation be banned?

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-13 22:20

Imagine if everybody received an assimilated immigrant slave to clean up around the house and run errands? That would probably be the most epic thing to ever happen, in terms of GDP growth and productivity KPI explosions, but how likely is it really, though....?

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-13 22:28

This whole line of reasoning is a misdirect so people don't focus on the genocide bit.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-13 23:05

d u b s check `em

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-14 3:04

>>10
Who is getting genocided, you histrionic asshole? Certainly you can't be talking about a cultural genocide. Sure the immigrants might be guided away from their appalling hate-filled original culture, but they form new cultures to do with being gardeners or cleaners or childrearers in their adoptive countries. It works for them and works for those of us Westerners who actually don't have time or wont to deal with the nitty gritty life throws at us.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-14 9:13

it says "d u b s check `em" under the blackout in >>11, guys.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-14 10:15

>>7
Unlikely, because your trolling is fatter than a Mexican on welfare who eats nachos with cheese and pepperoni pizza 24/7.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-14 18:44

>>13
blackout
U MENA SPOILER?

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-15 11:23

>>14
Are you kidding? There simply isn't room in our flabby, decadent, failing society to "assimilate" more nigs and whatnot. Either kick them all out, or have them be a slave class and remove the 'dead-weight' middle/working class already here. No need to pussyfoot around it.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-16 18:15

>>1
I believe that people on the LGBT spectrum are amazing individuals with amazing potential, and it saddens me to see them wasting their time living in sin
John Gustavsson: I am a nationalist. More specifically, when people ask about my ideology I tell them I’m a national conservative.
The problem is, they tend to carry the infection with them. And once in the country, they often “infect” others who were previously healthy – think; radical islamists corrupting young, moderate muslims.
If we do not throw off the chains imposed by the false doctrine of cultural equality, our democracy will perish

even from an anti-racist's point of view
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